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<blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 4635913" data-attributes="member: 40109"><p>Keterys has it right, I think. Looking at the rules Bagpuss cites, I realize there is a difference between what they say and what he <em>says they say.</em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: deepskyblue"><strong>Other Effects:</strong> Deal with any other effects <u>that occur at the start of your turn</u>.</span></p><p> </p><p>That's not a general rule that <strong>all</strong> "effects are applied at the start of your turn." It's just a reminder that <strong>some</strong> effects are applied at the start of your turn (specifically, the ones that <em>say</em> they are), and that you apply such effects before you take any actions.</p><p> </p><p>But your turn has three parts (page 268): the start of your turn, the actions on your turn, and the end of your turn.</p><p> </p><p>At the start of his turn, Warlord is dazed. That doesn't really matter, though, because he can't normally take any actions at the start of his turn anyway.</p><p> </p><p><em>During</em> his turn, Warlord gets three actions (page 269):</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: deepskyblue"><strong>Your Actions:</strong> You get the following three actions on your turn:</span></p><p><span style="color: deepskyblue">Standard action</span></p><p><span style="color: deepskyblue">Move action</span></p><p><span style="color: deepskyblue">Minor action</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: deepskyblue"><strong>Free Actions:</strong> You can take any number of free actions on your turn.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: deepskyblue"><strong>Any Order:</strong> You can take your actions in any order you wish, and you can skip any of them.</span></p><p> </p><p>On his turn, Warlord is limited to taking only one minor, move, or standard action (plus any free actions) -- <em>but only because he is dazed</em>. After taking his minor action, he is no longer dazed. This part of his turn isn't over yet, because he could, for example, still take free actions (even if he was still dazed). And since the dazed condition <em>no longer exists,</em> he is no longer limited to taking only one action on his turn. The normal rule (he gets three actions on his turn) thus applies, and because he can take his actions in any order he wishes, the fact that Warlord used his minor action <em>first</em> doesn't matter a bit.</p><p> </p><p>Yep, it seems pretty clear to me now that by RAW, Warlord gets to take all of his actions (as long as he makes the save granted by Shake It Off).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vegepygmy, post: 4635913, member: 40109"] Keterys has it right, I think. Looking at the rules Bagpuss cites, I realize there is a difference between what they say and what he [i]says they say.[/i] [COLOR=deepskyblue][B]Other Effects:[/B] Deal with any other effects [U]that occur at the start of your turn[/U].[/COLOR] That's not a general rule that [B]all[/B] "effects are applied at the start of your turn." It's just a reminder that [B]some[/B] effects are applied at the start of your turn (specifically, the ones that [I]say[/I] they are), and that you apply such effects before you take any actions. But your turn has three parts (page 268): the start of your turn, the actions on your turn, and the end of your turn. At the start of his turn, Warlord is dazed. That doesn't really matter, though, because he can't normally take any actions at the start of his turn anyway. [I]During[/I] his turn, Warlord gets three actions (page 269): [COLOR=deepskyblue][B]Your Actions:[/B] You get the following three actions on your turn:[/COLOR] [COLOR=deepskyblue]Standard action[/COLOR] [COLOR=deepskyblue]Move action[/COLOR] [COLOR=deepskyblue]Minor action[/COLOR] [COLOR=deepskyblue][B]Free Actions:[/B] You can take any number of free actions on your turn.[/COLOR] [COLOR=deepskyblue][B]Any Order:[/B] You can take your actions in any order you wish, and you can skip any of them.[/COLOR] On his turn, Warlord is limited to taking only one minor, move, or standard action (plus any free actions) -- [I]but only because he is dazed[/I]. After taking his minor action, he is no longer dazed. This part of his turn isn't over yet, because he could, for example, still take free actions (even if he was still dazed). And since the dazed condition [i]no longer exists,[/i] he is no longer limited to taking only one action on his turn. The normal rule (he gets three actions on his turn) thus applies, and because he can take his actions in any order he wishes, the fact that Warlord used his minor action [I]first[/I] doesn't matter a bit. Yep, it seems pretty clear to me now that by RAW, Warlord gets to take all of his actions (as long as he makes the save granted by Shake It Off). [/QUOTE]
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