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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JonnyDoH" data-source="post: 4734619" data-attributes="member: 82923">Yes, I suppose you have a point.  Perhaps my experience playing 4th edition is a bit low-- on the other hand, IS there a reason why the Shaman should simply not Be In Combat?  I mean, whatever happened to D&D, where every class had its drawbacks, people occasionally rolled a '3' for a stat (my healer with 4 charisma-- I was never forced to heal!  Good times), and no one class was the ultimate death dealing machine to all creatures?  (rant)I suppose fourth edition made things more overpowered for everything in general-- but perhaps its adding "easy mode" for people who just want to min/max their characters.  (/rant)Sure, the Int based Shaman might have a higher AC overall than the Con Shaman, but the former is less geared toward healing and recovery of hitpoints (the latter having a more valuable bonus to both himself and his party members) and has less hitpoints overall than his counterpart (a slight disadvantage, but worth noting).  By virtue of healing ability, I would assume that the Con based Shaman is "more" valuable to the party overall, and should be protected as such.  Plus, when you look at his abilities and those of his turducken, you see that party members have to be adjacent (most of the time) to said turducken in order to receive the benefits (Protecting Strike At Will Power comes to mind...).  One odd question:  When an ability or feat says "ally" does it include the Shaman himself?  I'm thinking along the lines of the feat "Protector Spirit Adept", which says your allies gain a +1 to Fort, will, ref while adjacent to your spirit companion...  Final Observation:I think the Protector Spirit shaman engenders the idea of the Adventuring Party as a Tank.  It moves with the solidarity of a single unit, with the Spirit Protector at the Center, lending various bonuses to those allies around it.  In theory, it works like the phalanx of old.  If used any differently, it seems to be a ludicrous tactic-- which is why so many people are questioning the Protector Shaman.  Just my two cents.</blockquote>

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