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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4727136" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yep, it is by NO means settled that a conjuration cannot be an 'enemy'. It is by no means settled WHY a conjuration cannot be OAed. There are 2 possible reasons, the 'it is not subject to attack' argument, and the 'it is not a creature and thus not an enemy' argument. For the vast bulk of conjurations it is a non-issue since 'not subject to attack' certainly precludes OA. It happens that for spirit companions this is not so, and thus it DOES become a pertinent consideration. </p><p></p><p>If the reason a conjuration cannot suffer OA is simply because it is invulnerable to attack, then spirit companions CAN suffer an OA. We also know that spirit companions are certainly not creatures, but the second argument contains the hidden assumption that not creature = not enemy. This is not an established fact either. It is especially not well established in the case of spirit companions, which certainly act in many respects like allies/enemies. </p><p></p><p>Thus I (and apparently even WotC) have not been able to come to a certain conclusion on whether or not a spirit companion can trigger an OA.</p><p></p><p>Even if WotC decides a spirit companion CAN trigger an OA there are a number of open questions beyond that, some of which are also essentially the same questions which are open WRT other conjurations that can be the origin of attacks (hand spells) and sustainable zones that make to-hit roles, which in many respects fall into a similar category. </p><p></p><p>Personally I'm just going to reserve judgment on spirit companion until I've had a chance to DM some adventures with a shaman in the party and see what works out best.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 4727136, member: 82106"] Yep, it is by NO means settled that a conjuration cannot be an 'enemy'. It is by no means settled WHY a conjuration cannot be OAed. There are 2 possible reasons, the 'it is not subject to attack' argument, and the 'it is not a creature and thus not an enemy' argument. For the vast bulk of conjurations it is a non-issue since 'not subject to attack' certainly precludes OA. It happens that for spirit companions this is not so, and thus it DOES become a pertinent consideration. If the reason a conjuration cannot suffer OA is simply because it is invulnerable to attack, then spirit companions CAN suffer an OA. We also know that spirit companions are certainly not creatures, but the second argument contains the hidden assumption that not creature = not enemy. This is not an established fact either. It is especially not well established in the case of spirit companions, which certainly act in many respects like allies/enemies. Thus I (and apparently even WotC) have not been able to come to a certain conclusion on whether or not a spirit companion can trigger an OA. Even if WotC decides a spirit companion CAN trigger an OA there are a number of open questions beyond that, some of which are also essentially the same questions which are open WRT other conjurations that can be the origin of attacks (hand spells) and sustainable zones that make to-hit roles, which in many respects fall into a similar category. Personally I'm just going to reserve judgment on spirit companion until I've had a chance to DM some adventures with a shaman in the party and see what works out best. [/QUOTE]
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