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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nyaricus" data-source="post: 2614142" data-attributes="member: 35678">thanks for the heads up, but there are a few issues in your added imput. One, that was 3rd Edition, whereas Complete Divine is 3.5e > if R&D at WotC had figured that it was nessisary to include all outsiders under the title of "spirit" for the Spirit Shaman class, they would haev stated so. Also, for flavour and game mechanics, while sharing the same name, the Shaman described in OA is an Oriental version, whereas, what with the reference to "proto-druid" and such, this thread's purpose is regarding the nature of a European Shaman. Also, would you not think that allowing one class to be able to effect all of the mentioned types with certain abilities (as per the Spirit Shaman class) is unbalanced if one were to add all outsiders to that list? I certainly would.So, to reiterate the purpose of this thread > we are trying to create a European(ish) Shaman that reflects a "proto-druid" feel, but with less focus on nature in general, and more with the spirits that live within nature. I thknk that covers the flavour section. as for specific class abilities, these will be outlined in subsequent posts.***EDIT > sorry, i misread what you said there. WotC did in fact keep their idea, so that is my bad. I should haev double-checks that. also note thoguh that ALL undead, dragons, outsiders, adn soem fey adn elementals are considered "spirits." i dont think that all of those are appropriate; but i need sleep, so goodnight to all, ill be back tomorrow <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />)</blockquote>

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