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Message: <blockquote data-quote="whisper_jeff" data-source="post: 421483" data-attributes="member: 6370">Forgive the snark in this reply: That's horse<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. Many people view Spycraft (for example) as compatible with d20 yet, when the chips are down, there are conversions that need to be made in order to use it with D&D (which is often touted as the base-line of d20). Same with Star Wars. And several other games that are viewed as acceptably d20.      The idea that a game must be 100% compatible, without any conversion at all, in order to be d20 is laughable. There are numerous products already out there that have conversions required in order to use with other d20 material. Why don't they get racked over the coals? Because they are published by companies that were "on the d20 bandwagon" early whereas we waited before entering the market so we look like we're just trying to cash in. Isn't that what it really is all about. Other companies, because they've been doing d20 for a while, are allowed to make modifications and changes to the system because "they know d20." GOO, on the other hand has done no d20 products prior to SAS d20 so we clearly don't know our asses from our elbows and must surely be doing this _just_ to get our piece of the d20 pie, right?     Ignoring the sarcasm of the above, the point is still valid - why can other companies make similar changes to d20 but not suffer the same wrath?     Seriously, I am curious - why can other companies make changes to the system - change the skill list so that it is appropriate to the genre/setting, change armour to damage reduction, and other minor changes - changes similar to those we made? Why can they do it without the uproar and venom but when we do it we're apparently mercenaries just cashing in by "tricking" people with the d20 logo?     Considering I can drop a Spycraft character into SAS d20 with minimal conversions (the same number of conversions you'd have to make to drop the same Spycraft character into D&D...), why is Spycraft acceptably different from d20 while SAS isn't? Seriously?     Ignoring my possibly biased and clearly stated opinion on this subject, as a game designer, I am curious why people view changes to the d20 system as accetpable from some companies and blasphemy from others.</blockquote>

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