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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 2865786" data-attributes="member: 13700">I was looking at the phb2 under the alternate class abilities, and was checking out the druids alternative to wildshape.  It seems to me that the alternate ability is far and away worse at every level past 7th, and only nominally better (if at all) before then.Shapeshift benefits:Unlimited uses/daySwift actionGet it at first levelShapeshift disadvantages:In all but the highest point buy systems, your shapeshifted stats will be lower than a regular wildshapeMAD, Now druids need high str/con/dex to be effective in combatLimited selection of shapesImpossible to cast while shapeshiftedDoesnt qualify you for wildshape req prestige classesWarshaper (4) is nearly mandatory to make it an effective fighting shapeNo animal companionWildshape benefits:Much larger selection of shapes, even more with prestige classesLots of prestige classesCan cast spells in shape w/natural spellNo need for base str/dex/con to be very highYou get a animal companionWildshape Disadvantages:Have to wait till lvl ~7 to be able to use for entire dayDont get first shape till lvl 5Less shapes per day without prestige classesQuestionable:Do "wild" enchanted armor or wild clasped items work combined with shapeshift?  If not, it would be nearly impossible to have an effective melee class at high levels, your max AC would be 10+16+ base dex unless your multi classed with monk, and you would not get that AC until lvl 16.  Ac30 at lvl 16 isnt exactly impressive, and you can only get that with a base 18 Dex.  At that same level your max damage would be 2d6+16 x 2 (with a base 18 str), which isnt horrible, but not really that impressive at that level.About the only reason i could see for using the shapeshift option, is if you only plan to go to lvl 5 for utility shapes, then focus on something other than wildshape or druid spells.Thoughts?</blockquote>

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