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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 2868160" data-attributes="member: 13700">So now he is down a feat and still significantly weaker than a standard druid.  I cannot say that i understand why some people feel the overwhelming need to nerf the druid, i would love to see an example of a single class druid that overshadows a fighter in melee using standard wildshape.A dire bear, which you can get at lvl 12 and is one of the better standard forms has 2 claws doing 2d4+10 each, and a bite at 2d8+5.  You could probably get that up to 2d6+17 and 2d10+11 after a full suite of buffs, not bad.  I cannot fathom making a fighter, pure or otherwise, at that level who would not be significantly stronger than that, as well as having tons of options in the combat, aoo's, trip, sidestep, etc...  The fight wouldnt even be fair, the only time the druid would stand a chance would be if there were very limited magic items in the game, and he could only use feats from the PHB or SRD.</blockquote>