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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 2868367" data-attributes="member: 13700">I dont disagree that the druid should be toned down a bit, though as they stand they arent really any more powerful than most of the other pure casers.  But our contention is that I think the shapeshift variant is too weak, and you do not.  I want the druid to be able to at least stand a couple rounds of combat, as it is with the shapeshifting variant any monster of a CR of the druids level would likely hit with every iterative attack, and just tear up the druid.  I suppose the other thing that we disagree about is that i dislike the fact that it turns the druid into another MAD class, which is the last thing we need.  Any low point buy campaign punishes the MAD classes far more than the specialized classes.  Also, it doesnt really ruin the druids power for melee combat, it just delays it quite a few levels.  Shapechange is still absurdly good.</blockquote>