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<blockquote data-quote="Bad Paper" data-source="post: 2459615" data-attributes="member: 24674"><p>well, OK, but I would probably nix the Ring of Spell Storing</p><p></p><p></p><p>The feathers bit referred to the familiar being an owl. I figured that if the owl couldn't become a centaur, it would pick up some of the characteristics thereof, if only to retain its resemblance to its master. I don't have the PHB here, but I recall text saying that the master and familiar are essentially the same creature.</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>Despite this being the Rules forum, let's take a minute to set the game down, walk away, and thoughtfully consider the term "magical beast." Would a hyperintelligent owl temporarily adopting some of the traits of a centaur generally fall within the bounds of what you would consider to be a magical beast? Particularly as an artifact of another creature's self-altering magical effect?</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>Now that we're back in the game, let us again consider the term magical beast, in clumsy faux-Platonic dialogue:</p><p>Q: What makes it magical?</p><p>A: That it conforms so closely to all aspects of its masters behavior, and acts as a feedback mechanism for Master's power.</p><p>Q: What happens when its master outwardly transforms into an orc?</p><p>A: [what happens when master casts Alter Self]</p><p>Q: What happens when its master completely transforms into an orc?</p><p>A: [what happens when master casts Polymorph]</p><p></p><p>please edit at will. Describe the effects of the last two answers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bad Paper, post: 2459615, member: 24674"] well, OK, but I would probably nix the Ring of Spell Storing The feathers bit referred to the familiar being an owl. I figured that if the owl couldn't become a centaur, it would pick up some of the characteristics thereof, if only to retain its resemblance to its master. I don't have the PHB here, but I recall text saying that the master and familiar are essentially the same creature. ... Despite this being the Rules forum, let's take a minute to set the game down, walk away, and thoughtfully consider the term "magical beast." Would a hyperintelligent owl temporarily adopting some of the traits of a centaur generally fall within the bounds of what you would consider to be a magical beast? Particularly as an artifact of another creature's self-altering magical effect? ... Now that we're back in the game, let us again consider the term magical beast, in clumsy faux-Platonic dialogue: Q: What makes it magical? A: That it conforms so closely to all aspects of its masters behavior, and acts as a feedback mechanism for Master's power. Q: What happens when its master outwardly transforms into an orc? A: [what happens when master casts Alter Self] Q: What happens when its master completely transforms into an orc? A: [what happens when master casts Polymorph] please edit at will. Describe the effects of the last two answers. [/QUOTE]
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