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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 8795958" data-attributes="member: 59816">Was it? I would have thought that your example was more just a straight strength check, rather than an athletics check, but that's fine if you intended it that way.Sure. It's more of a corner case than I thought you were describing.No, I mean, that one's fine, it's just more corner-case than I'd worry too much about the rules needing to account for specifically.  Your full scenario is "two people untrained try to carry something that is heavier than they should ought to based on their strength scores AND the DM has a reason in mind to make them need to roll for success". I'd expect the DM to make a call here. I think that it's covered in the playtest rules under "the DM has final say on whether your assistance is possible". Your scenario and any other similar one seems to me like most reasonable DMs would rule that the Help Action works. That's not the same as houserules.I'm not trying to be difficult with you, I'm just trying to engage with you about it. Sure, I disagree with you (very mildly - I mean, I'm sure I'd be happy with a version of the rule that was worded in a way that was more to your liking, but I feel like this one is also fine).I am well aware of this! I find myself pointing this out quite regularly. In particular when people post statements like "this is how it works now". (It doesn't - it only works that way if you're actively playtesting these rules, otherwise they're ATM just good for speculation).Hopefully!That's not what I'm advocating. It's not homebrewing - it's following the rule "the DM has final say on whether your assistance is possible" in a scenario when NO ONE is skilled. Otherwise, if only one of the PCs involved is skilled, then by the playtest rule, THEY Help the unskilled one to do the task, AFAICT.I didn't ask you to rewrite it. And I'm not asking you not to discuss it. I'm discussing it with you. I'm not sure the problem you're trying to point out is, in fact, a problem, and I felt like talking to you about it might make me understand it more fully. I disagree not to shut you down, but to find out more about your perspective.Again, I wasn't asking you to homebrew rules. I may have suggested that you make a ruling, however. That's a part of the game (as is not asking people to roll if the situation doesn't have interesting consequences). Most versions of "two people carrying a heavy object", I'd imagine that they'd just carry it with no roll.Exactly! I'm with you!</blockquote>

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