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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 6925392" data-attributes="member: 6701872">Again, no it doesn't. The penalty is always there unless you are also targeting an AC that you would only miss on a 1 normally, and would only miss on less than 5 numbers higher while taking the penalty - to phrase that clearly, unless you only miss on a natural 1 normally, and only miss on a natural 1-5 when taking the penalty, it is still a -5 penalty both in name and in effect. Again, you are phrasing something in such a way as to make it an untrue statement even if what you are meaning to convey were the truth.I absolutely can say "working as intended" even though extra damage from other sources is less prone to amplified effect through teamwork.I can do so because I can see that teamwork as being intended to make each option put into it more powerful - because that's how to encourage teamwork; you make it actually work and be worth something.If you miss more often and deal more damage when you hit, you have to first deal all of the damage you would have dealt when hitting more often before you start getting into the territory of dealing more than you otherwise would have.So let's go ahead and put some numbers to your claim here and see if it holds true as you have chosen to phrase it: 40% of attacks with the feat benefit hit vs. 100% of attacks without it, that means that the attacks with the benefit of the feat have to do 2.5 times the amount of damage in order to match, and more than that to pull ahead - so the +10 damage from the feat needs to be greater than 1.5 times the base damage of an attack. Which means the base damage of an attack has to be lower than 6.6 (repeating).Which is not the case with any two-handed weapon I'm aware of unless the character in question has a +1 or lower strength modifier (since two-handed weapons have 1d10, 1d12, or 2d6 damage).So your claim is shown as being factually inaccurate - so we can't reasonably use it to determine how we feel about whatever the actual case of the feat's performance is.</blockquote>

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