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Shatter Spell vs Magic Weapon Spell
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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 1006035" data-attributes="member: 3051"><p>Actually, I wasn't contending that, I was just listing off all the benefits of a standard DMG Enhancement bonus. Then, I was noting that the spell only gives "a +1 enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls", which isn't the same thing because it's not as complete a list. A sword with Magic Weapon on it doesn't get extra HP or Hardness, for example.</p><p></p><p>That is, the standard +1 ability referred to as "Enhancement bonus" gives a +1 bonus of type "enhancement" to abilities A, B, C, D, E, and F.</p><p>The spell "Magic Weapon" gives bonus of type "enhancement" to A, B, and maybe C. This is not enough to equate it to the first part. Since this means the two aren't the same, then the protection against Shatter possessed by magic weapons doesn't extend to items temporarily enchanted by this spell.</p><p></p><p>But since we're being picky, I'd like to point out that the rules as written don't contradict that GMW interpretation, either. I've brought this up in GMW-nerfing discussions before.</p><p>The section on DR in the DMG (pp. 73-74) only refers to "+X enhancement bonus". Not "enhancement bonus to damage" or "enhancement bonus to attack roll". These aren't the same thing; use the bow-n-arrow stacking as an example. The Enhancement bonuses stack, but they don't stack for purposes of bypassing DR; a +3 bow firing +3 arrows doesn't get past DR /+6. Now, if you say that DR only checks enhancement bonus to attack roll, them GMW would work just fine, but it definitely can't be enhancement to damage, because of what'd happen on critical hits.</p><p>So, one way to tone down GMW in 3E is to take it like that, and say that Magic Weapon/GMW/Magic Fang/whatever only give bonuses to attack rolls and damage rolls, without any of the other benefits (like the DR penetration).</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying I play it that way, because I don't. IMC we fixed GMW in other ways. Also, I think they cleared it up a bit better in the FAQ at some point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 1006035, member: 3051"] Actually, I wasn't contending that, I was just listing off all the benefits of a standard DMG Enhancement bonus. Then, I was noting that the spell only gives "a +1 enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls", which isn't the same thing because it's not as complete a list. A sword with Magic Weapon on it doesn't get extra HP or Hardness, for example. That is, the standard +1 ability referred to as "Enhancement bonus" gives a +1 bonus of type "enhancement" to abilities A, B, C, D, E, and F. The spell "Magic Weapon" gives bonus of type "enhancement" to A, B, and maybe C. This is not enough to equate it to the first part. Since this means the two aren't the same, then the protection against Shatter possessed by magic weapons doesn't extend to items temporarily enchanted by this spell. But since we're being picky, I'd like to point out that the rules as written don't contradict that GMW interpretation, either. I've brought this up in GMW-nerfing discussions before. The section on DR in the DMG (pp. 73-74) only refers to "+X enhancement bonus". Not "enhancement bonus to damage" or "enhancement bonus to attack roll". These aren't the same thing; use the bow-n-arrow stacking as an example. The Enhancement bonuses stack, but they don't stack for purposes of bypassing DR; a +3 bow firing +3 arrows doesn't get past DR /+6. Now, if you say that DR only checks enhancement bonus to attack roll, them GMW would work just fine, but it definitely can't be enhancement to damage, because of what'd happen on critical hits. So, one way to tone down GMW in 3E is to take it like that, and say that Magic Weapon/GMW/Magic Fang/whatever only give bonuses to attack rolls and damage rolls, without any of the other benefits (like the DR penetration). I'm not saying I play it that way, because I don't. IMC we fixed GMW in other ways. Also, I think they cleared it up a bit better in the FAQ at some point. [/QUOTE]
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