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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 146023" data-attributes="member: 96">I would have to say 'yes', from a logical perspective.&nbsp; Otherwise you wind up with some very strange results.&quot;Why can't I target the staircase?&quot;&quot;Because it's not level.&quot;Does that mean that if the floor has a 1 degree slope, you can't target it? How about a 5 degree slope?&nbsp; Is the spell useless in 99% of the places it could be cast? (How many perfectly flat areas do you know? Here in Pittsburgh, even the parking lots are on slopes...)Better to allow it and avoid such goofiness.I can see two arguments.&nbsp; One would extend the argument above to say it was OK.&nbsp; The other would say that such are not floors in the way that nonlevel floors and even staircases are - that is to say, surfaces that gravity allows you to walk on.My inclination would be 'you can only cast it on the ground' - no walls, no ceilings (unless you cast it on the other side of the ceiling, naturally - if it were less than 6&quot; thick there would definitely be a nice pit)&quot;The ground&quot; is here defined as 'something a normal person can walk on unaided'.I'd have to say 'no floor - no effect'.&nbsp; Also, I believe that the 'and objects' is usually used to refer to unattended objects - this is not a 'neutron bomb' effect that kills people but leaves the furniture standing.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 146023, member: 96"] I would have to say 'yes', from a logical perspective. Otherwise you wind up with some very strange results. "Why can't I target the staircase?" "Because it's not level." Does that mean that if the floor has a 1 degree slope, you can't target it? How about a 5 degree slope? Is the spell useless in 99% of the places it could be cast? (How many perfectly flat areas do you know? Here in Pittsburgh, even the parking lots are on slopes...) Better to allow it and avoid such goofiness. I can see two arguments. One would extend the argument above to say it was OK. The other would say that such are not floors in the way that nonlevel floors and even staircases are - that is to say, surfaces that gravity allows you to walk on. My inclination would be 'you can only cast it on the ground' - no walls, no ceilings (unless you cast it on the other side of the ceiling, naturally - if it were less than 6" thick there would definitely be a nice pit) "The ground" is here defined as 'something a normal person can walk on unaided'. I'd have to say 'no floor - no effect'. Also, I believe that the 'and objects' is usually used to refer to [i]unattended[/i] objects - this is not a 'neutron bomb' effect that kills people but leaves the furniture standing. J [/QUOTE]

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