Shield Bash and Slam underpowered?

[sfedi]

I noted that these two Martial Power powers are Str + 2 vs Ref and Fort respectivelly, IIRC.

But, there´s no weapon keyword, which means they don´t get the +X bonus per level.

So these powers don´t scale well?

If that´s the case, I´ll put an "Add your weapon enhancement bonus to the attack".

 

[Danceofmasks]

They don't scale well, but the bonus to hit is meant to replace the bonus from a magic weapon ..
I think the designers decided that as low level powers, they'd get replaced during paragon tier sometime ...
Unfortunately, there aren't any higher level shield bashing powers (except shield adept PP, and possibly the awesome throwing shield from AV) ...

Now I reckon rather than modify the existing powers, just make new higher level shield based powers for when you're meant to replace the weaker versions?
Level 13 and 17 versions getting +4 (and doing a little more?), perhaps.

 

[Oompa]

You know the +X you get for being Xth level is part of the base attack bonus and counts for every power..

You only don't get the +X for proficiency..

But that is okay, cause you already get a +2 to the roll..

You only miss the enhancement bonus with the attack roll..

 

[sfedi]

Yes, you are right. Sorry I wasn´t clear.

I meant the enhancement bonus from your weapon.

Thanks

 

[Fredrik Svanberg]

Some powers add damage at higher levels.

These powers could perhaps get +4 bonus to hit at paragon and +6 at epic levels.

Since they are supposedly using the shield and not the weapon, adding the weapon's enhancement bonus doesn't seem right to me.

 

[DracoSuave]

I think the problem isn't that these powers don't scale at paragon/epic, but that there aren't any shield-requiring fighter powers past level 11. It's a really cool concept build, and tossing in a single paragon and epic power for shield-users would really round out the build nicely. The level 3 power gets replaced at level 17, so that's actually a good bridging level. Upgrade the level 3 power so that it gets +4 to hit, and gives a second effect above push+prone. Then you can have a level 27 power to replace -that- which might give the +6, push+prone+second effect, and then give them a condition that aids in defending.

This has the benefit of having clear upgrades for the original power, as well as allowing for an all-encounter power shield-master build.

Tingly.