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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jai Kel" data-source="post: 1379939" data-attributes="member: 1177">Since the shield and spiked shield are listed in the equipment list under weapons, it would seem to me that they are to be considered viable weapons.  If they were not on the list they would be improvised weapons, but they are clearly delineated as weapons.But then, the problem arises with the description of shield bash under the shield entries.  It specifically only calls out using the shield as an off-hand attack.Personally, the shields I have seen actually wielded in RL seem to be just as much of a weapon as any others listed.  Also, I've even seen those SCA guys at Ren Faires (SCA right?), win a battle after losing their primary weapon and only fighting with a shield.  I am going to allow them to be used for making bash attacks even in the primary hand.  The damage is fairly pathetic anyway.  So, if a character wants a shield (or spiked shield) as their weapon and then they spend a feat to allow keeping the AC bonus of the shield while using it as a weapon, good for them.  With all of the other better choices for a weapon and a feat, this one is not going to suddenly become the preferred method of fighting in the world.</blockquote>