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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7422717" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>OK this is getting even more silly on Twitter with Jeremy Crawford.</p><p></p><p>I asked Jeremy this:</p><p></p><p>"Based on new Bonus Action nesting rulings, if you have multiple attacks and are two weapon fighting, you can no longer attack with main weapon, attack with off-hand weapon, and attack with main weapon in that order?"</p><p></p><p>Jeremy answered:</p><p></p><p>"The ruling is that the text of a bonus action matters. The precondition for using two-weapon fighting (PH, 195) is making an attack with the Attack action, so if you make an attack with the Attack action, you can now take the bonus action."</p><p></p><p>I then asked:</p><p></p><p>"I'm confused. Both Shield Mastery and Two Weapon Fighting use identical precondition language ("when you take the attack action"). You said you have to finish ALL attacks with the attack action first for Shield Mastery...don't you have to do that with two weapon fighting as well?"</p><p></p><p>Jeremy then answered:</p><p></p><p>"They don't have the same wording. Shield Master refers to the Attack action, whereas two-weapon fighting refers to making an attack with the Attack action."</p><p></p><p>I've now replied to that with:</p><p></p><p>""When you take the Attack action..." can you take an attack action without finishing the attack? I understand making one attack qualifies you to take a bonus attack action thereafter...by why would it allow that bonus attack action during the triggering attack action?"</p><p></p><p>His answer is forthcoming but I think at this point it's pretty obvious his ruling is not making things clearer and more logical. We're getting to pretty tortured semantics here, not too far off from the "it depends what the definition of "is" is" territory.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7422717, member: 2525"] OK this is getting even more silly on Twitter with Jeremy Crawford. I asked Jeremy this: "Based on new Bonus Action nesting rulings, if you have multiple attacks and are two weapon fighting, you can no longer attack with main weapon, attack with off-hand weapon, and attack with main weapon in that order?" Jeremy answered: "The ruling is that the text of a bonus action matters. The precondition for using two-weapon fighting (PH, 195) is making an attack with the Attack action, so if you make an attack with the Attack action, you can now take the bonus action." I then asked: "I'm confused. Both Shield Mastery and Two Weapon Fighting use identical precondition language ("when you take the attack action"). You said you have to finish ALL attacks with the attack action first for Shield Mastery...don't you have to do that with two weapon fighting as well?" Jeremy then answered: "They don't have the same wording. Shield Master refers to the Attack action, whereas two-weapon fighting refers to making an attack with the Attack action." I've now replied to that with: ""When you take the Attack action..." can you take an attack action without finishing the attack? I understand making one attack qualifies you to take a bonus attack action thereafter...by why would it allow that bonus attack action during the triggering attack action?" His answer is forthcoming but I think at this point it's pretty obvious his ruling is not making things clearer and more logical. We're getting to pretty tortured semantics here, not too far off from the "it depends what the definition of "is" is" territory. [/QUOTE]
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