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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7423049" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, thanks for clarifying. I wondered if it was something simple like that or something more complicated that I was missing out on. "Potent Build Tool"? Are you saying it as in Shield Master was a really great option? Could you point me to a single guide that gave shield master more than a "meh, if you're already using a shield its fine" type of rating? I'm not saying I put a lot of stock into online guides (no one had any good advice for doing a Gnome cleric, did it anyways) but a lot of people are upset at Shield Master being nerfed because it was a middle of the road option before. I imagine it would be similar to a nerf on Mage Slayer, it's really not that highly rated of a feat, it isn't in huge demand, why make it weaker?Sure, we can talk in circles about how it is a proper RAW reading of the ability, input X get Y yadda yadda yadda, but a lot of us don't really end up parsing our game rules like computer code, so we don't care as much about the exact ordering of events. As long as it works and people have fun that's all that really matters.</blockquote>