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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7423060" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Since i put almost no stock in the various white room, guides etc... Nope... Cannot point you to those for your fix of others agree-ism.I am one of those crazy types who thinks power and value comes from the intersection of capability and need so i really dont give a rats ass about how other people value x vs y vs z in their games (as far as it relating to mine) and have even less of a concern about white room warriors of excel.If you want references to how powerful someone else think this feat is, as opposed to how powerful it is actually in your own game, somewhere back in this thrwad a poster who seems to be running in a game whose particulars practically makes the other benefits of SM trivial iirc said it got close to sharpshooter and the great weapon one (the 5/10s iirc) on what we have to assume was the strength of the pre-shove down alone.But if your position is that its a mid-road not used for power type builds feat and that all this rage has nothing to do with losing a powerful option cuz you know the ones focused on power would not get near the meh, thats fine. Feel free to support that position or whatever.I know we all can point to many cases where we see such furor and rage over already mediocre options being made more mediocre - likely those drowning out the few quiet peaceful whispers when a powerful option gets nerfed, right?</blockquote>