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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Twig" data-source="post: 7579512" data-attributes="member: 31754">Honestly when I have seen it used at the table people naturally just use it as the last thing they do on their turn. In other words, they see it as just a bonus thing they can do after they attack. The only exception comes when the bad guy they knock down goes immediately after them in the initiative order and stands right back up for half their movement. Unless the person was trying to run away, this makes the knock down essentially pointless. That's when they start asking if they can do the shove first so at least they can get advantage on their attacks, even if nobody else can.Now admittedly I'm not playing with a bunch of optimizers, otherwise they would have realized the benefit of shoving first earlier. But that also means that with just a casual reading, people just assume it comes after all of their other attacks. [disclaimer] This is anecdotal evidence and is not indicative of a general trend among the greater role-playing populous [/disclaimer]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Twig, post: 7579512, member: 31754"] Honestly when I have seen it used at the table people naturally just use it as the last thing they do on their turn. In other words, they see it as just a bonus thing they can do after they attack. The only exception comes when the bad guy they knock down goes immediately after them in the initiative order and stands right back up for half their movement. Unless the person was trying to run away, this makes the knock down essentially pointless. [i]That's[/i] when they start asking if they can do the shove first so at least [i]they[/i] can get advantage on their attacks, even if nobody else can. Now admittedly I'm not playing with a bunch of optimizers, otherwise they would have realized the benefit of shoving first earlier. But that also means that with just a casual reading, people just assume it comes after all of their other attacks. [disclaimer] This is anecdotal evidence and is not indicative of a general trend among the greater role-playing populous [/disclaimer] [/QUOTE]

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