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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7552788" data-attributes="member: 6919838">You state what your character is doing but that does not mean you declare &quot;take the attack action&quot; or that you define the totality of your turn&nbsp; the start... Specifically, you resolve pieces of your turn step by step until done, in sequence and they are resolved in sequence not out of sequence. What the future might hold is just a dream, not an action until it is done.If you say &quot;Roy walks over and attacks the stinkin' vermin that shot Ftitz... &quot; Roy has **not yet** attacked then and there simply because you said those words. There has been no Attack Action taken yet... Roy could be interrupted on his walk by a trapdoor that stops him 10' to the bottom and then Roy doesn't get there. Roy can then try any action he wants because he has not yet &quot;taken&quot; an attack action. The same case if in play when the desire to shove as z bonus action before having taken an attack action. I know one can choose to interpret &quot;if you take..&quot; as &quot; if you are planning to take later...&quot; cuz one wants it to be so but that kind of hostile reading gets nowhere fast. Just three feats up from shield master we see...&quot;If you come across a spell in written form, such as a magical spell scroll or a wizard’s spellbook, you might be able to add it to your ritual book. &quot;Compare to...&quot;If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.&quot;So, are we to believe that the lack of saying &quot;after&quot; or &quot;when&quot; in both those cases was intentional and they meant for you to bonus action shove before you take the attack action as well as scribe the ritual into your book before you come across it in written form? It's just a few feats back from Shirld Mastery. How much time travel by &quot; if&quot; is in DnD, I wonder?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7552788, member: 6919838"] You state what your character is doing but that does not mean you declare "take the attack action" or that you define the totality of your turn the start... Specifically, you resolve pieces of your turn step by step until done, in sequence and they are resolved in sequence not out of sequence. What the future might hold is just a dream, not an action until it is done. If you say "Roy walks over and attacks the stinkin' vermin that shot Ftitz... " Roy has **not yet** attacked then and there simply because you said those words. There has been no Attack Action taken yet... Roy could be interrupted on his walk by a trapdoor that stops him 10' to the bottom and then Roy doesn't get there. Roy can then try any action he wants because he has not yet "taken" an attack action. The same case if in play when the desire to shove as z bonus action before having taken an attack action. I know one can choose to interpret "if you take.." as " if you are planning to take later..." cuz one wants it to be so but that kind of hostile reading gets nowhere fast. Just three feats up from shield master we see... "If you come across a spell in written form, such as a magical spell scroll or a wizard’s spellbook, you might be able to add it to your ritual book. " Compare to... "If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield." So, are we to believe that the lack of saying "after" or "when" in both those cases was intentional and they meant for you to bonus action shove before you take the attack action as well as scribe the ritual into your book before you come across it in written form? It's just a few feats back from Shirld Mastery. How much time travel by " if" is in DnD, I wonder? [/QUOTE]

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