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<blockquote data-quote="WhosDaDungeonMaster" data-source="post: 7552855"><p>That is <em>so</em> true! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> But, since I am a glutton for punishment...</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, this is simply a DM/group discretion issue.</p><p></p><p>As Crawford ruled from the current Sage Advice Compendium on a related topic:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, given this, the intent with Shield Master is that the Attack action should occur before the Bonus action since using the Attack action is what grants the character the ability to make the Bonus action. However, as in the ruling on this quoted issue, a DM would break nothing in the system by allowing you to reverse the order. I don't think you are breaking anything by reversing the order for Shield Master. You are, in fact, as my other posts have shown, adding versatility to the feat and making it more worthwhile. Personally, I think they linked the Bonus action to the Attack action because the Shove option <em>is</em> a form of an attack. The feat allows you to Shove without costing you an actual attack roll. Precisely when that Shove can take place, is up to the DM and group IMO.</p><p></p><p>In addition, for those who play with cyclical initiative, consider this:</p><p></p><p>If you attack and then use your Bonus action to Shove your target, knocking it prone, it will always get back up since it will have its turn before you will act again, thus denying you advantage on any attack rolls from this ability. True, depending on your order of initiative, you might in this way grant an ally advantage on their attacks against the fallen target, but you will never get it.</p><p></p><p>As my group's DM, and since we play with declared actions, I am ruling the bonus action can come before, after, or during (in the case of Extra Attacks) the Attack action.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise, this is getting too close to 200 posts in the thread and I am done with it. Consider the horse beaten to death. Cheers and g'night! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WhosDaDungeonMaster, post: 7552855"] That is [I]so[/I] true! :) But, since I am a glutton for punishment... Ultimately, this is simply a DM/group discretion issue. As Crawford ruled from the current Sage Advice Compendium on a related topic: So, given this, the intent with Shield Master is that the Attack action should occur before the Bonus action since using the Attack action is what grants the character the ability to make the Bonus action. However, as in the ruling on this quoted issue, a DM would break nothing in the system by allowing you to reverse the order. I don't think you are breaking anything by reversing the order for Shield Master. You are, in fact, as my other posts have shown, adding versatility to the feat and making it more worthwhile. Personally, I think they linked the Bonus action to the Attack action because the Shove option [I]is[/I] a form of an attack. The feat allows you to Shove without costing you an actual attack roll. Precisely when that Shove can take place, is up to the DM and group IMO. In addition, for those who play with cyclical initiative, consider this: If you attack and then use your Bonus action to Shove your target, knocking it prone, it will always get back up since it will have its turn before you will act again, thus denying you advantage on any attack rolls from this ability. True, depending on your order of initiative, you might in this way grant an ally advantage on their attacks against the fallen target, but you will never get it. As my group's DM, and since we play with declared actions, I am ruling the bonus action can come before, after, or during (in the case of Extra Attacks) the Attack action. Otherwise, this is getting too close to 200 posts in the thread and I am done with it. Consider the horse beaten to death. Cheers and g'night! :) [/QUOTE]
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