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<blockquote data-quote="WhosDaDungeonMaster" data-source="post: 7554102"><p>All good here. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To jump back in:</p><p></p><p><strong>Why can't you grapple or shove as an opportunity attack?</strong></p><p></p><p>Personally, I think in some situations you should be able to. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> Obviously if you have a readied action prepared for it, of course. But it would be very circumstantial otherwise IMO. For instance, if a character doesn't have a hand free, would he really have enough time to drop his weapon and grapple before the target moves out of their reach? Maybe allow an Insight or Perception check to judge the target might be moving on their turn and you can react quickly enough if you make the check? Lots of ways to implement it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Why can't a shield master bonus shove attack inside the attack action "if" he takes the attack action?</strong></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I total agree with you (I think LOL) on this one. The purpose for the RAI with Shield Master is it allows you to make the shove attack as a bonus action instead of costing you one of your melee attacks. Since a bonus action can be taking anytime during your turn, unless the timing is specified otherwise, I would allow the shove before attacks or during extra attacks or at the end of all attacks the character has that turn.</p><p></p><p><strong>Why can a Pole arm master get his bonus attack within the attack action "when" he takes the attack action?</strong></p><p></p><p>To me this is no different than using a bonus action to make an additional attack when two-weapon fighting. Be careful, though, because your question seems to imply he gets his bonus attack as part of the attack action. He must use a bonus action in conjunction with the attack action to get it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Why can a dual wielder get his bonus attack within the attack action "when" he takes the attack action?</strong></p><p>I assume you mean a two-weapon attacker? Dual Wielder as a feat does nothing towards granting a bonus attack in itself. The two-weapon attack uses the bonus action to also gain the additional attack.</p><p></p><p>I suppose in some of this you are questioning more the need for the attack action? Such as allowing the Shield Master to make a shove as a bonus and use his action to Disengage or some other action? Like knocking your opponent prone with a shove as a bonus, and using Dash and normal movement to run away. In the same spirit, a two-weapon attacker could attack with his off-hand as a bonus action, but Cast a Spell with his action. Am I right in this? Is this the type of thing you are really questioning?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WhosDaDungeonMaster, post: 7554102"] All good here. :) To jump back in: [B]Why can't you grapple or shove as an opportunity attack?[/B] Personally, I think in some situations you should be able to. ;) Obviously if you have a readied action prepared for it, of course. But it would be very circumstantial otherwise IMO. For instance, if a character doesn't have a hand free, would he really have enough time to drop his weapon and grapple before the target moves out of their reach? Maybe allow an Insight or Perception check to judge the target might be moving on their turn and you can react quickly enough if you make the check? Lots of ways to implement it. [B]Why can't a shield master bonus shove attack inside the attack action "if" he takes the attack action?[/B] Yeah, I total agree with you (I think LOL) on this one. The purpose for the RAI with Shield Master is it allows you to make the shove attack as a bonus action instead of costing you one of your melee attacks. Since a bonus action can be taking anytime during your turn, unless the timing is specified otherwise, I would allow the shove before attacks or during extra attacks or at the end of all attacks the character has that turn. [B]Why can a Pole arm master get his bonus attack within the attack action "when" he takes the attack action?[/B] To me this is no different than using a bonus action to make an additional attack when two-weapon fighting. Be careful, though, because your question seems to imply he gets his bonus attack as part of the attack action. He must use a bonus action in conjunction with the attack action to get it. [B]Why can a dual wielder get his bonus attack within the attack action "when" he takes the attack action?[/B] I assume you mean a two-weapon attacker? Dual Wielder as a feat does nothing towards granting a bonus attack in itself. The two-weapon attack uses the bonus action to also gain the additional attack. I suppose in some of this you are questioning more the need for the attack action? Such as allowing the Shield Master to make a shove as a bonus and use his action to Disengage or some other action? Like knocking your opponent prone with a shove as a bonus, and using Dash and normal movement to run away. In the same spirit, a two-weapon attacker could attack with his off-hand as a bonus action, but Cast a Spell with his action. Am I right in this? Is this the type of thing you are really questioning? [/QUOTE]
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