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<blockquote data-quote="Sean Culligan" data-source="post: 7554110" data-attributes="member: 6915216"><p>Huh?</p><p>This is what I meant by categories and sub-categories. Shoving and grappling are literally sub-categories of "Melee Attack" and therefore they are melee attacks as defined by the rules (as well as in reality). Its right there in the book</p><p>What do you mean when you say a melee attack is general and doesn't meet the requirements of using an attack action? It is literally the simplest form of an attack action as defined in the books. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Here again. What is this?</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>The same way you can "swing a sword" without the attack action when executing an opportunity attack.</p><p>PHB192 - Actions in Combat</p><p>Attack - "The most common action to take in combat is the <strong>Attack Action</strong>, whether you are <strong>swinging a sword</strong>... etc."</p><p></p><p> </p><p>All correct. You get one bonus action only. However you can shove or grapple as a bonus action precisely because these are <strong>also</strong> attack actions... just like "swinging a sword" is defined as one. (PHB192 see above)</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Fine.</p><p></p><p>Remember.. and this is key. The definition of an opportunity attack does not say "sword swing, etc." It says "melee attack". Sword Swings, shoves and grapples all fall under melee attack. They are also all defined as "attack actions" (which makes it irrelevant when discussing OA). Therefore... OA away.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sean Culligan, post: 7554110, member: 6915216"] Huh? This is what I meant by categories and sub-categories. Shoving and grappling are literally sub-categories of "Melee Attack" and therefore they are melee attacks as defined by the rules (as well as in reality). Its right there in the book What do you mean when you say a melee attack is general and doesn't meet the requirements of using an attack action? It is literally the simplest form of an attack action as defined in the books. Here again. What is this? The same way you can "swing a sword" without the attack action when executing an opportunity attack. PHB192 - Actions in Combat Attack - "The most common action to take in combat is the [B]Attack Action[/B], whether you are [B]swinging a sword[/B]... etc." All correct. You get one bonus action only. However you can shove or grapple as a bonus action precisely because these are [B]also[/B] attack actions... just like "swinging a sword" is defined as one. (PHB192 see above) Fine. Remember.. and this is key. The definition of an opportunity attack does not say "sword swing, etc." It says "melee attack". Sword Swings, shoves and grapples all fall under melee attack. They are also all defined as "attack actions" (which makes it irrelevant when discussing OA). Therefore... OA away. [/QUOTE]
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