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<blockquote data-quote="Sean Culligan" data-source="post: 7554140" data-attributes="member: 6915216">I believe they weren't thinking about opportunity attacks when it was written otherwise they would have said &quot;only if&quot; or &quot;only when&quot; to make it crystal clear.In the case of the shield master feat it should have stated &quot;only after&quot; if that is what was intended.Because I believe this I have to ask &quot;why not?&quot;&nbsp; These things are not more powerful than raw damage output.&nbsp; They are circumstantial at best.&nbsp; They should be allowed when the circumstance arises.&nbsp; The best time to try to grab a foe or knock them down for instance is when they are attempting to flee.&nbsp; Any rule that works for the player can also work against them so it is not game breaking.I hate arguing semantics but you could argue that the grapple rule allows you to make an attack action whenever you want.&nbsp; It even starts off with &quot;When you want to grab a creature...&quot;Player: Well I want to grab the creature now.DM:&nbsp; Its not your turn.Player:&nbsp; The rule says &quot;when I want...&quot;Anyways that's probably a poor example because it does go on to say &quot;the attack action&quot;, not &quot;an attack action&quot; but you can see what I am getting at so I won't belabor this one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sean Culligan, post: 7554140, member: 6915216"] I believe they weren't thinking about opportunity attacks when it was written otherwise they would have said "only if" or "only when" to make it crystal clear. In the case of the shield master feat it should have stated "only after" if that is what was intended. Because I believe this I have to ask "why not?" These things are not more powerful than raw damage output. They are circumstantial at best. They should be allowed when the circumstance arises. The best time to try to grab a foe or knock them down for instance is when they are attempting to flee. Any rule that works for the player can also work against them so it is not game breaking. I hate arguing semantics but you could argue that the grapple rule allows you to make an attack action whenever you want. It even starts off with "When you want to grab a creature..." Player: Well I want to grab the creature now. DM: Its not your turn. Player: The rule says "when I want..." Anyways that's probably a poor example because it does go on to say "the attack action", not "an attack action" but you can see what I am getting at so I won't belabor this one. [/QUOTE]

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