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<blockquote data-quote="WhosDaDungeonMaster" data-source="post: 7554361"><p>Ok, just checking. But I guess that was my point: Opportunity attack doesn't beat them, as it is also a specific rule, not a general one.</p><p></p><p>OA, along with TWF, Grappling, and Shoving <em>all</em> fall under the Melee Attacks section because they are all forms of melee attacks, with two labeled as "special" because they are a Strength (Athletics) check and not an attack roll. Just as chocolate, angel food, fruit, and pound are all cakes, they are all different and have unique ingredients that make them different. There are other sorts of cakes, of course, just like their are other ways of attacking, such as unarmed or with a weapon. Some do damage directly through attack rolls, others have different effects like knocking someone prone, restraining them, or pushing them back. </p><p></p><p>I thought that was your intent, I just wanted to confirm it. But at this point, I can't think of any other way to explain it since your interpretation likely isn't going to change. Either way, as your interpretation or a house-rule, I don't think allowing a shove or grapple as an OA will hurt anything. We've discussed at length how depending on the scenario it could be well within the narrative for the DM to permit it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WhosDaDungeonMaster, post: 7554361"] Ok, just checking. But I guess that was my point: Opportunity attack doesn't beat them, as it is also a specific rule, not a general one. OA, along with TWF, Grappling, and Shoving [I]all[/I] fall under the Melee Attacks section because they are all forms of melee attacks, with two labeled as "special" because they are a Strength (Athletics) check and not an attack roll. Just as chocolate, angel food, fruit, and pound are all cakes, they are all different and have unique ingredients that make them different. There are other sorts of cakes, of course, just like their are other ways of attacking, such as unarmed or with a weapon. Some do damage directly through attack rolls, others have different effects like knocking someone prone, restraining them, or pushing them back. I thought that was your intent, I just wanted to confirm it. But at this point, I can't think of any other way to explain it since your interpretation likely isn't going to change. Either way, as your interpretation or a house-rule, I don't think allowing a shove or grapple as an OA will hurt anything. We've discussed at length how depending on the scenario it could be well within the narrative for the DM to permit it. [/QUOTE]
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