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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7412823" data-attributes="member: 6799649">If one wants to play for everything in that list, then to be consistent and maximise those supposed benefits then the character sheets should be taken away from the players.They don't get to roll their own dice either. I mean, if they roll high and fail or roll low and succeed anyway, then this is the very information you seek to deny them.Sure, a game can work that way, and be very immersive, but this approach leads to disadvantages also. For example, it's much harder to plan, or know what's going on. It makes to players so cautious that they avoid challenges they could easily overcome. It can be very frustrating for the players, who find it much less enjoyable.It also feels like you're playing 'Mother May I', instead of D&D. After all, if the players cannot observe the rules mechanics at work then the DM doesn't need to use them at all. He starts by 'fudging' a roll here and there, 'for the benefit of the story', of course! Pretty soon, the DM is just making it all up as he goes along, and the players occasionally grunting an answer to a loaded question, without the required information needed to make a sound judgement anyway.Oh, and the RAW of seeing the d20 result? Houseruled away, because that's not immersive.The result is that you realise that you're not actually playing D&D at all. It's not even free-form drama, because the actors are not all equal; one of them has near-total control, and the rest jump to his whistle.I'm not saying that you're having fun wrong, I'm saying that I came to play D&D and this is not it, and what it is is not fun for me.To the OP: it comes across like you are setting the ground rules for all the DMs to follow. If that is the case then one rule you can set is to have these rolls in the open (the ones where the PCs can observe the creature).Simples. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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