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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 350007" data-attributes="member: 6239">Obiously, since the line I quoted says this, you do not see it but you know that something is invisible in the area.&nbsp; In the case of the shield, I think you can be pretty sure what the &quot;area&quot; is.&nbsp; If you know what shield is, you can now put 1 and 1 together.&nbsp; If you don't notice the arrow bounce off the shield, you don't know if it was armor, a bad shot or you need to get your eyes checked.The shield stays a static distance from the character, and characters are always assumed to be moving.&nbsp; So, yes, the shield is moving, unless the person makes sure to stand still.&nbsp; Then you have a better chance to notice that your arrows are bouncing off something, since they lost dex and still aren't being hit.&nbsp; That is when I would think about an int check.The rules say it is invisible.&nbsp; You can house rule it, but that is what the rules say.&nbsp; Personally, I just tell the players once there has been an attack deflected by the shield because I prefer a more straight forward game.&nbsp; If your game is based on trickery, have them roll.&nbsp; It is all in the style.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 350007, member: 6239"] Obiously, since the line I quoted says this, you do not see it but you know that something is invisible in the area. In the case of the shield, I think you can be pretty sure what the "area" is. If you know what shield is, you can now put 1 and 1 together. If you don't notice the arrow bounce off the shield, you don't know if it was armor, a bad shot or you need to get your eyes checked. The shield stays a static distance from the character, and characters are always assumed to be moving. So, yes, the shield is moving, unless the person makes sure to stand still. Then you have a better chance to notice that your arrows are bouncing off something, since they lost dex and still aren't being hit. That is when I would think about an int check. The rules say it is invisible. You can house rule it, but that is what the rules say. Personally, I just tell the players once there has been an attack deflected by the shield because I prefer a more straight forward game. If your game is based on trickery, have them roll. It is all in the style. [/QUOTE]

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