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<blockquote data-quote="Bladesinger_Boy" data-source="post: 5071934" data-attributes="member: 87403">Sadrick, I thought you wanted static numbers for ease of DMing with monsters and NPCs?&nbsp; This just feels like you used the idea of &quot;-2 per tier&quot; and doubled the bonuses.Both those penalties and those bonuses seem too high.&nbsp; I like the idea of scaling things by tiers (1st, 11th, 21st), but it feels like you prefer BAB.&nbsp; So I'd suggest having a look at the Pathfinder way of doing Power Attack and Combat Expertise.&nbsp; It starts as a -1 penalty and goes down another -1 every 4BAB, capping at -6 penalty at +20 BAB.&nbsp; The ratio for bonus is better than 1-to-1, I think -1 to +2 (but check it out).&nbsp; This both provides a favorable ratio while also limiting the overall penalty &amp; bonus that can be gained.&nbsp; I mean, power attack becomes broken with mid to high level PCs with two-handed weapons getting a critical hit OR big beefy brute monsters that have a -15 or -20 attack penalty to sacrifice and still hit and do crazy damage.&nbsp; The Pathfinder method stops that.&nbsp; That is why I'm design the &quot;-2 per tier&quot; method so close to that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bladesinger_Boy, post: 5071934, member: 87403"] Sadrick, I thought you wanted static numbers for ease of DMing with monsters and NPCs? This just feels like you used the idea of "-2 per tier" and doubled the bonuses. Both those penalties and those bonuses seem too high. I like the idea of scaling things by tiers (1st, 11th, 21st), but it feels like you prefer BAB. So I'd suggest having a look at the Pathfinder way of doing Power Attack and Combat Expertise. It starts as a -1 penalty and goes down another -1 every 4BAB, capping at -6 penalty at +20 BAB. The ratio for bonus is better than 1-to-1, I think -1 to +2 (but check it out). This both provides a favorable ratio while also limiting the overall penalty & bonus that can be gained. I mean, power attack becomes broken with mid to high level PCs with two-handed weapons getting a critical hit OR big beefy brute monsters that have a -15 or -20 attack penalty to sacrifice and still hit and do crazy damage. The Pathfinder method stops that. That is why I'm design the "-2 per tier" method so close to that. [/QUOTE]

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