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<blockquote data-quote="Dark Dragon" data-source="post: 1127793" data-attributes="member: 1115">I suppose that the player plays a druidic shifter (thus merging wild shape with greater wild shape from the shifter PrC).To answer your reference question, look at the new 3.5 wild shape of the druid (in the PHB). It refers to Polymorph and that refers to Alter Self. It's quite clear that extraordinary abilities aren't available to a druid (and thus to a shifter) anymore, breaking down the prestige class... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> If you play with the MotW rules (and the wild shape version there), you're fine. A shifter is quite powerful, but will fade a bit if compared to a druid using 3.5 Shapechange.I'm playing a shifter (using 3.0 wild shape in 3.5 ed.) and he can take all forms of monsters he has battled or studied for a whole day. So it's up to the DM how powerful the shifter will be. Our shifter version doesn't get any feats of those monsters except racial feats (house rule), but he gets all extraordinary abilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dark Dragon, post: 1127793, member: 1115"] I suppose that the player plays a druidic shifter (thus merging wild shape with greater wild shape from the shifter PrC). To answer your reference question, look at the new 3.5 wild shape of the druid (in the PHB). It refers to [I]Polymorph[/I] and that refers to [I]Alter Self[/I]. It's quite clear that extraordinary abilities aren't available to a druid (and thus to a shifter) anymore, breaking down the prestige class... :( If you play with the MotW rules (and the wild shape version there), you're fine. A shifter is quite powerful, but will fade a bit if compared to a druid using 3.5 [I]Shapechange[/I]. I'm playing a shifter (using 3.0 wild shape in 3.5 ed.) and he can take all forms of monsters he has battled or studied for a whole day. So it's up to the DM how powerful the shifter will be. Our shifter version doesn't get any feats of those monsters except racial feats (house rule), but he gets all extraordinary abilities. [/QUOTE]

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