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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Silver Griffon" data-source="post: 627906" data-attributes="member: 9425">Yes. It would always be your current level. However, a DM could decide to only allow these checks for a few levels, as its not fair to assume your character has a chance to know every form.Also, let me explain why I think Wisdom based checks are more appropriate then Intelligence based checks. Because Knowledge(nature) is recalling facts and information. That's not the same as familiarity. Wisdom is more like insight or personal experience IMHO, and that sounds more like familiarity. For example, Knowledge(nature) is not used to determine if you are familiar enough with an animal's tracks to identify them. Wilderness Lore is.But, to get back on topic, I think it makes sense to allow templated creatures as a shifter form if he is familiar with them. However, because of their rarity and power I would not allow a newly created Shifter to begin play knowing any templated forms. Even when using my random system. I might even decide that their HD for purposes of determining if the Shifter can take the form are equal to their templated HD (if the template increases them) or their HD plus CR increase (if the template increases CR but not HD), or whichever is higher if both cases are true. For example, a half-dragon's HD don't go up, but the die type increases. A half-dragon's CR is adjusted by +2. If a Shifter wanted to become a half-dragon stone giant (14HD), he would have to have 16HD.Just a thought of the top of my head...</blockquote>

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