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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4395256" data-attributes="member: 43019"><p>Ah well, I was hoping that would force you to read the text of my posts, perhaps furiously trying to quote me, then realizing I didn't say that. Shame.</p><p></p><p>I said an awful lot about flawed arguments and provided some fairly ludicrous results of extending the problem with claiming specific vs general wins when it doesn't claim something.</p><p></p><p>Stop having gut responses to how this <em>has</em> to work cause otherwise the feat is <em>worthless </em>and people who think otherwise '<em>just</em> <em>don't understand the rules'. </em></p><p></p><p>I read the feat as working one way. You read it as working another way. Honestly, I think by RAW it may even work a third more convoluted and not-intended way. </p><p></p><p>I think WotC should clean things up and point out which way the feat is supposed to work _whatever that way is_ and provide a good example of specific vs. general so people don't claim it incorrectly. </p><p></p><p>You think you're definitely right and I "just don't understand the rules". </p><p></p><p>I think your position that doesn't allow you to potentially be wrong or the rules to be written incorrectly is indefensible and that you're exhibiting poor etiquette. Your claim that I don't understand the rules is silly - you don't know me except from these boards. That said, even from these boards I'd hope it'd be clear that I'm very much into researching and learning the rules. I posted the original DDXP rules handouts and some of the monster scans. I posted over 100 monsters. I've lead threads of making analysis of all the powers. Etc. I'll grant I don't have the ruleset mastered - I didn't remember the specific text of shift that Hypersmurf quoted as protecting only against adjacent moves away, but I have read the PHB and MM cover to cover and I've probably memorized about half the rules at this point (not necessarily my goal, just something that happens when I play a game twice a week while making stuff for the system)</p><p></p><p>So, yeah, I'm really curious to see what Wizards says for how this is actually supposed to work. In the meantime, maybe you should do <em>what I said</em> and run it however you want in games you GM because who cares what I think? I don't even play a game that the feat is used in. I just want to see WotC improve the ruleset!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keterys, post: 4395256, member: 43019"] Ah well, I was hoping that would force you to read the text of my posts, perhaps furiously trying to quote me, then realizing I didn't say that. Shame. I said an awful lot about flawed arguments and provided some fairly ludicrous results of extending the problem with claiming specific vs general wins when it doesn't claim something. Stop having gut responses to how this [I]has[/I] to work cause otherwise the feat is [I]worthless [/I]and people who think otherwise '[I]just[/I] [I]don't understand the rules'. [/I] I read the feat as working one way. You read it as working another way. Honestly, I think by RAW it may even work a third more convoluted and not-intended way. I think WotC should clean things up and point out which way the feat is supposed to work _whatever that way is_ and provide a good example of specific vs. general so people don't claim it incorrectly. You think you're definitely right and I "just don't understand the rules". I think your position that doesn't allow you to potentially be wrong or the rules to be written incorrectly is indefensible and that you're exhibiting poor etiquette. Your claim that I don't understand the rules is silly - you don't know me except from these boards. That said, even from these boards I'd hope it'd be clear that I'm very much into researching and learning the rules. I posted the original DDXP rules handouts and some of the monster scans. I posted over 100 monsters. I've lead threads of making analysis of all the powers. Etc. I'll grant I don't have the ruleset mastered - I didn't remember the specific text of shift that Hypersmurf quoted as protecting only against adjacent moves away, but I have read the PHB and MM cover to cover and I've probably memorized about half the rules at this point (not necessarily my goal, just something that happens when I play a game twice a week while making stuff for the system) So, yeah, I'm really curious to see what Wizards says for how this is actually supposed to work. In the meantime, maybe you should do [I]what I said[/I] and run it however you want in games you GM because who cares what I think? I don't even play a game that the feat is used in. I just want to see WotC improve the ruleset! [/QUOTE]
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