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<blockquote data-quote="Kaffis" data-source="post: 4269605" data-attributes="member: 10305"><p>#2 is actually right. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>#1 is right, but a non-shifty creature/player has, at that point, used their entire turn. (shifting as a move, and then moving their speed as a traded-down second move action to replace their standard action)</p><p>#3 is under-utilizing the kobold's shiftiness. A kobold can shift with a minor, then move their speed as a *move* leaving their standard unaccounted for.</p><p>#4 anybody can shift then attack. Most people will use their move and standard to do so. A kobold can shift and attack and still have a move free (or, alternately, move in as a move, attack as a standard, and then shift away as minor).</p><p>I'm not sure what you're getting at with #5. If you move *only* one square as a move action, you might as well shift and not provoke. As long as you shift, it doesn't matter what you do with the rest of your turn, the shifting doesn't provoke.</p><p></p><p>You can shift and move in the same turn (this is the primary difference between shifting and a 5-foot step). You only provoke Opportunity Attacks for moving *out* of a threatened square, not into one.</p><p></p><p>Charging breaks both of those, but it's an exception. Charging grants an opportunity attack to your enemy as part of the charge, rather than as a consequence to how you move (but if you charge past others, you might provoke more as a consequence of leaving threatened squares). Also, charging prevents you from moving after the charge in that turn, so no charging and then shifting away, whether you're shifty or not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kaffis, post: 4269605, member: 10305"] #2 is actually right. ;) #1 is right, but a non-shifty creature/player has, at that point, used their entire turn. (shifting as a move, and then moving their speed as a traded-down second move action to replace their standard action) #3 is under-utilizing the kobold's shiftiness. A kobold can shift with a minor, then move their speed as a *move* leaving their standard unaccounted for. #4 anybody can shift then attack. Most people will use their move and standard to do so. A kobold can shift and attack and still have a move free (or, alternately, move in as a move, attack as a standard, and then shift away as minor). I'm not sure what you're getting at with #5. If you move *only* one square as a move action, you might as well shift and not provoke. As long as you shift, it doesn't matter what you do with the rest of your turn, the shifting doesn't provoke. You can shift and move in the same turn (this is the primary difference between shifting and a 5-foot step). You only provoke Opportunity Attacks for moving *out* of a threatened square, not into one. Charging breaks both of those, but it's an exception. Charging grants an opportunity attack to your enemy as part of the charge, rather than as a consequence to how you move (but if you charge past others, you might provoke more as a consequence of leaving threatened squares). Also, charging prevents you from moving after the charge in that turn, so no charging and then shifting away, whether you're shifty or not. [/QUOTE]
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