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<blockquote data-quote="Baumi" data-source="post: 6365023" data-attributes="member: 2569"><p>I'm sure there is a way for other classes (with multiple Attacks) to get the Spell, but I want to focus on the Druid since it is a Spell that is exclusive to the Druid-List and therefore made for him.</p><p></p><p>The Magic Weapon Boni can surely help, but I don't think they make up for the loss of damage. Besides aren't there be some magical Implements that help Spellcasting too? The Polearm Mastery is certainly a nice feat and might give the Druid a certain Edge, but it seems a bit strange that you need a feat to make one Cantrip comparable to other Cantrips, but lets try it out (I'm not that great with Statistics, so this is only very rudimentary).</p><p></p><p><em>Damage is calculated with a base 50% hit Chance (higher with magic weapons) and no Crits.</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Level 1 (no Magic Weapon, +3 Attribute Mod)</strong></p><p>Poison Spray: 1d12 (6,5 avg) -> 3,25 DPR</p><p>Shillelagh: 1d8+3 (7,5) + 1d4+3 (5,5) -> 7,5 DPR (3,75 without Polearm-Feat)</p><p></p><p>This one is really strong, if you took the Polearm feat, also it gives you a free Attack if the enemies rushes you!</p><p></p><p><strong>Level 5 (+1 Weapon, +4 Attribute Mod)</strong></p><p>Poison Spray: 2d12 (13 avg) -> 6,5 DPR</p><p>Shiellagh: 1d8+5 (9,5) + 1d4+5 (7,5) -> 9,35 DPR (55% Hit Chance) (5,2 DPR without Feat)</p><p></p><p>Here you start to lose out without the Feat, but you are still way ahead with it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Level 11 (+2 Weapon, +5 Attribute Mod)</strong></p><p>Poison Spray: 3d12 (19,5 avg) -> 9,75 DPR</p><p>Shiellagh: 1d8+7 (11,5) + 1d4+7 (9,5) -> 12,6 DPR (60% Hit Chance) (6,9 DPR without Feat)</p><p></p><p>Still ahead with the Feat, but you should not use Shiellagh without it anymore.</p><p></p><p><strong>Level 17 (+3 Weapon, +5 Attribute Mod)</strong></p><p>Poison Spray: 4d12 (26 avg) -> 13 DPR</p><p>Shiellagh: 1d8+8 (12,5) + 1d4+8 (10,5) -> 14,95 (65% Hit Chance) (8,1 DPR without Feat)</p><p></p><p>Still Ahead with the Feat, but way behind without it. 8,1 DPR generally looks very low for that Level (not enthusiastic about the 15 DPR either).</p><p></p><p>It seems that it has it's niche with the Polearm Feat, especially at low levels. At higher Levels it doesn't seem to be worth it, especially if you consider that I have taken quite high Attributes and Magic Weapon Modifiers into account.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Baumi, post: 6365023, member: 2569"] I'm sure there is a way for other classes (with multiple Attacks) to get the Spell, but I want to focus on the Druid since it is a Spell that is exclusive to the Druid-List and therefore made for him. The Magic Weapon Boni can surely help, but I don't think they make up for the loss of damage. Besides aren't there be some magical Implements that help Spellcasting too? The Polearm Mastery is certainly a nice feat and might give the Druid a certain Edge, but it seems a bit strange that you need a feat to make one Cantrip comparable to other Cantrips, but lets try it out (I'm not that great with Statistics, so this is only very rudimentary). [I]Damage is calculated with a base 50% hit Chance (higher with magic weapons) and no Crits.[/I] [B]Level 1 (no Magic Weapon, +3 Attribute Mod)[/B] Poison Spray: 1d12 (6,5 avg) -> 3,25 DPR Shillelagh: 1d8+3 (7,5) + 1d4+3 (5,5) -> 7,5 DPR (3,75 without Polearm-Feat) This one is really strong, if you took the Polearm feat, also it gives you a free Attack if the enemies rushes you! [B]Level 5 (+1 Weapon, +4 Attribute Mod)[/B] Poison Spray: 2d12 (13 avg) -> 6,5 DPR Shiellagh: 1d8+5 (9,5) + 1d4+5 (7,5) -> 9,35 DPR (55% Hit Chance) (5,2 DPR without Feat) Here you start to lose out without the Feat, but you are still way ahead with it. [B]Level 11 (+2 Weapon, +5 Attribute Mod)[/B] Poison Spray: 3d12 (19,5 avg) -> 9,75 DPR Shiellagh: 1d8+7 (11,5) + 1d4+7 (9,5) -> 12,6 DPR (60% Hit Chance) (6,9 DPR without Feat) Still ahead with the Feat, but you should not use Shiellagh without it anymore. [B]Level 17 (+3 Weapon, +5 Attribute Mod)[/B] Poison Spray: 4d12 (26 avg) -> 13 DPR Shiellagh: 1d8+8 (12,5) + 1d4+8 (10,5) -> 14,95 (65% Hit Chance) (8,1 DPR without Feat) Still Ahead with the Feat, but way behind without it. 8,1 DPR generally looks very low for that Level (not enthusiastic about the 15 DPR either). It seems that it has it's niche with the Polearm Feat, especially at low levels. At higher Levels it doesn't seem to be worth it, especially if you consider that I have taken quite high Attributes and Magic Weapon Modifiers into account. [/QUOTE]
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