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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7499563" data-attributes="member: 6716779">With clerics is more reducing MAD. They can key everything off wisdom and have 14 de and con with the default array and use medium armor and run around with shillagh and spiritual guardians. Compare that with the war cleric who has to pick between strength and wisdom. Nature cleric can just buff wisdom to 20 and double dip spell DCs and beat down and is one of the better beat down clerics in the PHB if not the best. Arcane cleric can do something similar via a feat and stack shillagh+ greenflame blade+ spiritual guardians and be competitive with fighters.&nbsp;IDK if its RAI having those two clerics be the best at beat down. Its not the war cleric anyway. Its one reason we roll for stats, roll good it reduces MAD and enables some of the PHB options to nit suck (Valor Bards, various clerics at least as not a caster, Bladelocks). For example 14 con, 14 dex and 2 16s help out most melee clerics or 2 16s and a 14 if you have access to heavy armor (16 strength and wisdom, 14 con).At low levels it doesn't matter to much, it does when you level up and don't get enough ASIs to buff everything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7499563, member: 6716779"] With clerics is more reducing MAD. They can key everything off wisdom and have 14 de and con with the default array and use medium armor and run around with shillagh and spiritual guardians. Compare that with the war cleric who has to pick between strength and wisdom. Nature cleric can just buff wisdom to 20 and double dip spell DCs and beat down and is one of the better beat down clerics in the PHB if not the best. Arcane cleric can do something similar via a feat and stack shillagh+ greenflame blade+ spiritual guardians and be competitive with fighters. IDK if its RAI having those two clerics be the best at beat down. Its not the war cleric anyway. Its one reason we roll for stats, roll good it reduces MAD and enables some of the PHB options to nit suck (Valor Bards, various clerics at least as not a caster, Bladelocks). For example 14 con, 14 dex and 2 16s help out most melee clerics or 2 16s and a 14 if you have access to heavy armor (16 strength and wisdom, 14 con). At low levels it doesn't matter to much, it does when you level up and don't get enough ASIs to buff everything. [/QUOTE]

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