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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 3464264" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>Hmm - I sense something devious. Care to share why? Besides the very worthy reason of it obviously leading to more suffering, of course.</p><p></p><p>And to answer the question - sure, why not?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, that's part of my point, actually. The XP by CR is the only truly codified aspect of XP in the core rules, with the rest being suggestions for things the DM can do. So it's significantly arbitrary, just as the whole idea of XP for killing things is. There are lots of RPGs out there which involve character improvement, and there are a huge number of ways in which it's handled. There's no real reason there should be necessary correlation between character advancement in D&D and the killing of creatures. So since it's significantly arbitrary, it's just much easier for me to embrace the reality and not use any partiuclar formula and pretend it makes more sense than another. </p><p></p><p>One of the interesting things I've noted over time on ENWorld is how many DMs seem to have dropped or are in the process of dropping XP based on CR, and quite often the entire concept of XP. For me as a DM, it just makes running my game so much easier without the former that I seriously can't conceive of 4e coming out with an XP system that would make me use formulae again. In fact, next time I DM, I'll drop XP totally. It's just not a necessary method to achieving what it is designed to. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like I said - only another year or so <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You know, that fight vs. the werewolves was some of the best teamwork I've seen from the PCs. You guys not only did just what was needed to keep the enemy off balance and weakened, but constantly set up allies to take advantage of what you did. I think they landed all of two hits between the four of them before you guys ripped them apart. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only creatures I create with PC classes get elite array stats, as I've mentioned before, which is what the MM says they should do. And, as I've also mentioned before, you guys are well above average too. It evens out.</p><p></p><p>Admittedly, the Shil-born template is a mean one, but that's another story <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True. That's why I think I could work things just fine without an XP total. Still, it's not something I'll switch to right now.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Now you're exaggerating. I can't murder you guys with 2nd lvl orc barbarians any more. I need at least CR 4 critters, and probably CR 5.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 3464264, member: 198"] Hmm - I sense something devious. Care to share why? Besides the very worthy reason of it obviously leading to more suffering, of course. And to answer the question - sure, why not? Well, that's part of my point, actually. The XP by CR is the only truly codified aspect of XP in the core rules, with the rest being suggestions for things the DM can do. So it's significantly arbitrary, just as the whole idea of XP for killing things is. There are lots of RPGs out there which involve character improvement, and there are a huge number of ways in which it's handled. There's no real reason there should be necessary correlation between character advancement in D&D and the killing of creatures. So since it's significantly arbitrary, it's just much easier for me to embrace the reality and not use any partiuclar formula and pretend it makes more sense than another. One of the interesting things I've noted over time on ENWorld is how many DMs seem to have dropped or are in the process of dropping XP based on CR, and quite often the entire concept of XP. For me as a DM, it just makes running my game so much easier without the former that I seriously can't conceive of 4e coming out with an XP system that would make me use formulae again. In fact, next time I DM, I'll drop XP totally. It's just not a necessary method to achieving what it is designed to. Like I said - only another year or so :D You know, that fight vs. the werewolves was some of the best teamwork I've seen from the PCs. You guys not only did just what was needed to keep the enemy off balance and weakened, but constantly set up allies to take advantage of what you did. I think they landed all of two hits between the four of them before you guys ripped them apart. Only creatures I create with PC classes get elite array stats, as I've mentioned before, which is what the MM says they should do. And, as I've also mentioned before, you guys are well above average too. It evens out. Admittedly, the Shil-born template is a mean one, but that's another story ;) True. That's why I think I could work things just fine without an XP total. Still, it's not something I'll switch to right now. :D Now you're exaggerating. I can't murder you guys with 2nd lvl orc barbarians any more. I need at least CR 4 critters, and probably CR 5. [/QUOTE]
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