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Shoe Horning the Races by Class?
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<blockquote data-quote="ccs" data-source="post: 7636039" data-attributes="member: 6803664"><p>Would you like me to quote my 1e PHB or will you just concede that you're wrong?</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Except for those Ability Score bonuses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh please. Assuming you've not rolled poorly, there's enough ways to gain +s in 3x/PF to make any race decent at any of the classes.</p><p>I know because I've spent the last 12.5 years doing it.</p><p>And if a character is non-viable to you because you're missing another +2 to a die roll? Then I'm afraid that you're just not a very good player....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, your casting stat <em>does </em>effect the Save DCs of your spells.</p><p>Though it'd be nice if it still gave bonus spells & affected max spell lvs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, but there were so many feats you could surely find something useful. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I know I did. Again, I've been doing it for these past 12.5 years.... And I've done it mostly with rolled stats. So sometimes I started golden, many times fair to middling, sometimes....well you end up with my special needs 1/2ling Garth.</p><p>See, there's billions (figure of speech) of ways to make a viable character. Every ______ I make doesn't need the same feat package. Or set of stat bonuses. If I end up forever +2 points behind some hypothetical paragon example of my class? "Eh, I'm fine. Nor am I at all concerned vs my fellow PCs. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Eh, depends upon your definition of viable. But Ok.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I say otherwise & have played every edition save OD&D (though I do have a copy on the shelf - sadly no one I play with wants to go that retro) </p><p></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ccs, post: 7636039, member: 6803664"] Would you like me to quote my 1e PHB or will you just concede that you're wrong? Except for those Ability Score bonuses. Oh please. Assuming you've not rolled poorly, there's enough ways to gain +s in 3x/PF to make any race decent at any of the classes. I know because I've spent the last 12.5 years doing it. And if a character is non-viable to you because you're missing another +2 to a die roll? Then I'm afraid that you're just not a very good player.... Well, your casting stat [I]does [/I]effect the Save DCs of your spells. Though it'd be nice if it still gave bonus spells & affected max spell lvs. Ah, but there were so many feats you could surely find something useful. :) I know I did. Again, I've been doing it for these past 12.5 years.... And I've done it mostly with rolled stats. So sometimes I started golden, many times fair to middling, sometimes....well you end up with my special needs 1/2ling Garth. See, there's billions (figure of speech) of ways to make a viable character. Every ______ I make doesn't need the same feat package. Or set of stat bonuses. If I end up forever +2 points behind some hypothetical paragon example of my class? "Eh, I'm fine. Nor am I at all concerned vs my fellow PCs. Eh, depends upon your definition of viable. But Ok. Well I say otherwise & have played every edition save OD&D (though I do have a copy on the shelf - sadly no one I play with wants to go that retro) [SIZE=1][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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