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<blockquote data-quote="HeavyG" data-source="post: 463801" data-attributes="member: 431">That one is simple.&nbsp; Shooting in melee is not about cover.&nbsp; There's a separate modifier for that, if dwarf is between the archer and the giant.&nbsp; That modifier will be smaller in the case that you mentioned than if the dwarf was fighting a human.Also, you can't shoot your friend if you're firing in a melee, only if you fire through cover.And precise shot removes the firing into a melee penalty but not the cover penalty.Lastly, even if the giant is in melee with the dwarf, you don't suffer the penalty if they're at least 10' apart (could happen because the giant has reach).Examples :a) Your friend the dwarf is engaged in melee with a human (both size M).If the dwarf is between the archer and the human, the archer suffers : -4 for fire in to melee and the human has a +4 to AC for 50% cover, for a total of -8 to hit.&nbsp; If he misses because of the cover, he hits the dwarf.&nbsp; Note if he has the Precise Shot feat, the -4 to hit is negated but not the +4 to the human's AC.If the dwarf is on the other side of the human, the archer gets only the -4 to hit for firing into a melee.&nbsp; He has no penalty if he has Precise Shot and has no chance of hitting the dwarf period, whether he has the feat or not.b) If the dwarf is fighting a giant.If the dwarf is between the archer and the giant, the archer suffers : -4 for fire in to melee and the giant has a +2 to AC for 1/4 cover, for a total of -6 to hit.&nbsp; If he misses because of the cover, he hits the dwarf.&nbsp; Note if he has the Precise Shot feat, the -4 to hit is negated but not the +2 to the giant's AC.If the dwarf is on the other side of the giant, the archer gets only the -4 to hit for firing into a melee.&nbsp; He has no penalty if he has Precise Shot and has no chance of hitting the dwarf period, whether he has the feat or not.Okay, so maybe it's not that simple.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeavyG, post: 463801, member: 431"] That one is simple. Shooting in melee is not about cover. There's a separate modifier for that, if dwarf is between the archer and the giant. [i]That[/i] modifier will be smaller in the case that you mentioned than if the dwarf was fighting a human. Also, you can't shoot your friend if you're firing in a melee, only if you fire through cover. And precise shot removes the firing into a melee penalty but not the cover penalty. Lastly, even if the giant is in melee with the dwarf, you don't suffer the penalty if they're at least 10' apart (could happen because the giant has reach). Examples : a) Your friend the dwarf is engaged in melee with a human (both size M). If the dwarf is between the archer and the human, the archer suffers : -4 for fire in to melee [b]and[/b] the human has a +4 to AC for 50% cover, for a total of -8 to hit. If he misses because of the cover, he hits the dwarf. Note if he has the Precise Shot feat, the -4 to hit is negated but not the +4 to the human's AC. If the dwarf is on the other side of the human, the archer gets only the -4 to hit for firing into a melee. He has no penalty if he has Precise Shot and has no chance of hitting the dwarf period, whether he has the feat or not. b) If the dwarf is fighting a giant. If the dwarf is between the archer and the giant, the archer suffers : -4 for fire in to melee [b]and[/b] the giant has a +2 to AC for 1/4 cover, for a total of -6 to hit. If he misses because of the cover, he hits the dwarf. Note if he has the Precise Shot feat, the -4 to hit is negated but not the +2 to the giant's AC. If the dwarf is on the other side of the giant, the archer gets only the -4 to hit for firing into a melee. He has no penalty if he has Precise Shot and has no chance of hitting the dwarf period, whether he has the feat or not. Okay, so maybe it's not that simple. [/QUOTE]

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