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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7760303" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>Give me a Cannon and I'd blow your walls down faster than any catapult would. It was one reason the Ottomans were so deadly.</p><p></p><p>If you've EVER fired a black powder musket that was of 18th century design you'd quickly realize that NO Bow or Crossbow is going to do that much damage. You'll have a hole through you bigger than any bow or crossbow will be able to make, and it can blow a hole straight through most metal plates that arrows or bolts probably won't penetrate.</p><p></p><p>Of course if you don't put enough grain in so that someone who isn't used to firing a gun can actually hold the gun it isn't as effective, but most individuals used a LOT more powder than that. Use a Rifle (such as the Civil War era guns) and you'll take out a Bow or Crossbow user at range far before they going to probably even be able to hit you.</p><p></p><p>The only advantage the Bow may have is faster loading time, but range and power are going to defeat the archery users almost any day of the week.</p><p></p><p>Cannon is in a list on it's own. Far greater range, accuracy, and explosive power than any catapult you will find.</p><p></p><p>This is NOT anecdotal, you can get and fire replicas and these weapons today. It's actually pretty popular among some crowds.</p><p></p><p>PS: I should note that your thought was that guns were not effective until the 20th century which is flat out disproven by history. Even with your own words of rifling in the 19th century puts that prior to the 20th century. </p><p></p><p>The reason guns became far more popular was that they had more power and ability than bows and Crossbows. Previously, even if they had more explosive power, they were also very unreliable. AS reliability increased they became far more effective. Crossbows arguably are FAR easier to train someone to use as well as cheaper (Especially back in the 18th and 19th centuries, if one was that suicidal as to arm their ranged warriors with crossbows).</p><p></p><p>Natives of most continents wanted the firearms for these reasons. It wasn't that the colonials had better training or that the White man was superior, in fact, in most areas the Native Inhabitants were better trained and more familiar with the areas. However, the technology was something that they could not compete with and that gave the invading colonials a distinct advantage. When the Native inhabitants were on level ground with technology you see some of the greatest massacres of the European invaders occur.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 7760303, member: 4348"] Give me a Cannon and I'd blow your walls down faster than any catapult would. It was one reason the Ottomans were so deadly. If you've EVER fired a black powder musket that was of 18th century design you'd quickly realize that NO Bow or Crossbow is going to do that much damage. You'll have a hole through you bigger than any bow or crossbow will be able to make, and it can blow a hole straight through most metal plates that arrows or bolts probably won't penetrate. Of course if you don't put enough grain in so that someone who isn't used to firing a gun can actually hold the gun it isn't as effective, but most individuals used a LOT more powder than that. Use a Rifle (such as the Civil War era guns) and you'll take out a Bow or Crossbow user at range far before they going to probably even be able to hit you. The only advantage the Bow may have is faster loading time, but range and power are going to defeat the archery users almost any day of the week. Cannon is in a list on it's own. Far greater range, accuracy, and explosive power than any catapult you will find. This is NOT anecdotal, you can get and fire replicas and these weapons today. It's actually pretty popular among some crowds. PS: I should note that your thought was that guns were not effective until the 20th century which is flat out disproven by history. Even with your own words of rifling in the 19th century puts that prior to the 20th century. The reason guns became far more popular was that they had more power and ability than bows and Crossbows. Previously, even if they had more explosive power, they were also very unreliable. AS reliability increased they became far more effective. Crossbows arguably are FAR easier to train someone to use as well as cheaper (Especially back in the 18th and 19th centuries, if one was that suicidal as to arm their ranged warriors with crossbows). Natives of most continents wanted the firearms for these reasons. It wasn't that the colonials had better training or that the White man was superior, in fact, in most areas the Native Inhabitants were better trained and more familiar with the areas. However, the technology was something that they could not compete with and that gave the invading colonials a distinct advantage. When the Native inhabitants were on level ground with technology you see some of the greatest massacres of the European invaders occur. [/QUOTE]
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