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<blockquote data-quote="Creeping Death" data-source="post: 798552" data-attributes="member: 253">Your math is wrong...&nbsp; Let me using your numbers show you how it is done:Armor Seed DC 14- natural armor bonus +4- duration 24 hours&nbsp; &lt;-- since we are making it permanent, this is unnecessary- DC +2 per extra +1 AC &lt;-- we want +17 ac, so we are at 34.14 + 34, Total DC is 48.Now we make it permanent, x5 DC48 x 5 = 240Now we start taking things away:We can't do backlash, that would kill us, but we have this:-18 DC: 10 minute casting-20 DC: 10 day castingso we are now down to 202.&nbsp; You are either going to need alot of friends that will stay with you the entire casting time to contribute one of their highest level slots and you are going to have to increase the casting time to 100 days, and you will still most likely need an item that could boost your skill bonus in spellcraft.Not worth it, especially if your DM makes you pay your &quot;friends&quot; for their time and their spell slots.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Creeping Death, post: 798552, member: 253"] Your math is wrong... Let me using your numbers show you how it is done: Armor Seed DC 14 - natural armor bonus +4 - duration 24 hours <-- since we are making it permanent, this is unnecessary - DC +2 per extra +1 AC <-- we want +17 ac, so we are at 34. 14 + 34, Total DC is 48. Now we make it permanent, x5 DC 48 x 5 = 240 Now we start taking things away: We can't do backlash, that would kill us, but we have this: -18 DC: 10 minute casting -20 DC: 10 day casting so we are now down to 202. You are either going to need alot of friends that will stay with you the entire casting time to contribute one of their highest level slots and you are going to have to increase the casting time to 100 days, and you will still most likely need an item that could boost your skill bonus in spellcraft. Not worth it, especially if your DM makes you pay your "friends" for their time and their spell slots. [/QUOTE]

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