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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bauglir" data-source="post: 916130" data-attributes="member: 6982">The basic buffs have versatility and wide appeal, not massive power - a bull's strength has combat, and non-combat applications; for any fighting class in combat, or to help with carrying heavy goods for example.  When the buffs are kept in second level, then barring at the lowest levels they will not dominate many spell lists.  Also items provide extra bonuses (bonus spells for example) and are not so easily dispelled; there is a benefit to choosing the item over the spell.  Sounds a lot like balance to me.Then you introduce empower spell, and you have a problem.  People begin empowering the spells to combine their versatility with power (possible to get +12 to a stat by using an 8th level slot) - this is where the real problem lies imo.So change the d4+1 to a straight 4 and you get balance once again.  Only the second level slots are used to buff, and the buffs maintain their utility out of combat.  However WotC did not stop there; they also reduced the duration making them near useless outside combat; further of extremely limited use in combat (unless one is prepared for the fight they will not be in place, and given the durations of combats, it is ill-advised to use them once combat starts)Buffs' intended use are to be shared around.  A wizard that keeps the bulls strength for himself is not the brightest bulb in the box.  And I know wizards use int, clerics use wisdom etc.  What's your point?Secondly these spells are not 'so important to me.'  Just because I have a differing point of view to you does not necessarily mean I have a vested interest.  In fact I play a sorcerer (the only spellcaster) in my current game, with no buffs at all.Of course they don't.  They can't.  Common sense would tell you my post was referring to arcane casters.Not true ime.And nobody in my game has buffs.  They can get that done for them in items.</blockquote>

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