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<blockquote data-quote="Lancelot" data-source="post: 4810775" data-attributes="member: 30022">Interesting...I'm trying to think through this, but replacing &quot;treats others as if...&quot; with &quot;assumes society is...&quot;.Hence, an LG character is good and assumes society is inherently good. Evil is an unnatural aberration to be smote, and there is little need for subterfuge (because most people are right-thinking and honorable). Those in power (rich, noble, whatever) usually attained their position through honorable means, or on the basis of genuine talents.A CG character is good, but assumes society is usually corrupt. Those in power probably got there by underhanded means, and shouldn't be trusted. Fighting against evil is a risky proposition, as the majority of people probably won't support your actions - hence subterfuge may be required.An LE character is evil, but assumes society is good. They know that the majority of people will not understand or accept their actions, so there is a need to act in a way that doesn't overtly offend their laws or sensibilities. However, the intelligent LE character knows that &quot;good&quot; infers certain restraints... which &quot;evil&quot; doesn't have. They exploit the gullibility and social conventions of others to gain a personal advantage (&quot;Do as I say, not as I do&quot;).A CE character is evil, and assumes everyone else is just as evil. Given they believe nobody else will ever show them a moment's compassion or generosity, there is no need to hold back (&quot;Do unto others before they do unto you&quot;).Given those definitions, I'd agree Batman (and probably Iron Man) is probably CG. Captain America and Spiderman would be LG. The Kingpin and Norman Osborne (currently) would be LE, whereas the Joker is CE. Doctor Doom might be NE (his personal actions are evil, and he likely assumes that society is a mix of both good and evil with neither dominant).Magneto would probably be CN (believes society is generally evil and out to get mutants, with his personal actions varying between good and evil). Strangely, Loki would probably be LE with this definition (evil personal actions, but acknowledging that society is generally good-aligned - reflected in a willingness to cooperate with the Aesir in the past, and to perform most of his/her worst mischief via subterfuge).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lancelot, post: 4810775, member: 30022"] Interesting... I'm trying to think through this, but replacing "treats others as if..." with "assumes society is...". Hence, an LG character is good and assumes society is inherently good. Evil is an unnatural aberration to be smote, and there is little need for subterfuge (because most people are right-thinking and honorable). Those in power (rich, noble, whatever) usually attained their position through honorable means, or on the basis of genuine talents. A CG character is good, but assumes society is usually corrupt. Those in power probably got there by underhanded means, and shouldn't be trusted. Fighting against evil is a risky proposition, as the majority of people probably won't support your actions - hence subterfuge may be required. An LE character is evil, but assumes society is good. They know that the majority of people will not understand or accept their actions, so there is a need to act in a way that doesn't overtly offend their laws or sensibilities. However, the intelligent LE character knows that "good" infers certain restraints... which "evil" doesn't have. They exploit the gullibility and social conventions of others to gain a personal advantage ("Do as I say, not as I do"). A CE character is evil, and assumes everyone else is just as evil. Given they believe nobody else will ever show them a moment's compassion or generosity, there is no need to hold back ("Do unto others before they do unto you"). Given those definitions, I'd agree Batman (and probably Iron Man) is probably CG. Captain America and Spiderman would be LG. The Kingpin and Norman Osborne (currently) would be LE, whereas the Joker is CE. Doctor Doom might be NE (his personal actions are evil, and he likely assumes that society is a mix of both good and evil with neither dominant). Magneto would probably be CN (believes society is generally evil and out to get mutants, with his personal actions varying between good and evil). Strangely, Loki would probably be LE with this definition (evil personal actions, but acknowledging that society is generally good-aligned - reflected in a willingness to cooperate with the Aesir in the past, and to perform most of his/her worst mischief via subterfuge). [/QUOTE]

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