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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tilla the Hun (work)" data-source="post: 1150137" data-attributes="member: 14214">Actually, those rules are not quite so crystal clear - there are such statements as the attack action being a standard action, along with the clear fact that a character can roll to hit a target, then decide as to whether or not to do a full attack.  If not, the single hit was a standard action, and they get a single move action.Very cool indeed - Any reason why a powerful artifact wouldn't let you do that with spell storing/release on impact type powers in it?Here's the whole reason why I finally commented on this thread instead of just reading.Where?  Please, cite your sources on this.  It'll help me out quite a bit <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Heh - and a high level character can't do that already?  A fighter with 6 attacks and the right feats - seems like he could...But just to clarify the discussion somewhat, the question is how does manyshot and shot on the run work together, and what the character(s) can do with it?Soand as well asmeans this:You can take a standard action to attack normally, or you can take a standard action to use the many shot feat, making up to 4 ranged attacks at the same target for the cost of that standard action.Since you only get 1 standard action in a round, you can't do both the attack and the many shot feat.You can, however, use the many shot feat and then move.However, the 'attack action' is not what many shot is, it's a 'standard action'You can see the difference more clearly when I ask this question:Can I use the many shot feat as a standard action and then take a normal attack?Or better yet, Can I count the many shot attack as my first attack, evaluate the results, and then finish my full round full attack action, counting it as my first attack?Answer: No.Shot on the run allows you to move before and after the 'attack' action, not before and after the 'standard action'.  It's the same thing as Spring Attack - Can a fighter move, attack, move, and attack?  I don't think so.  Can he use a feat that says it's a standard action, then move, attack, move?  I don't think so again.Also, examine the Combat action Feint, and the feat Improved Feint.  Feint is normally a standard action (and does not allow an attack until (SRD<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> "on or before your next turn," and Imp Feint turns it into a move action, allowing a 'feint' and an attack on the same turn.What you are actually arguing is semantics.  Just 'read', don't read 'into'.My opinion <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm really curious about those 'sources' quoted above though, please let me know what they are?</blockquote>

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