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<blockquote data-quote="Albert_Fish" data-source="post: 737178" data-attributes="member: 1780">Ok, we&nbsp; need to&nbsp;&nbsp; use&nbsp; Ken Hood's&nbsp; Grim-n-Gritty rules.Get them if you dotnhave them.&nbsp; They are&nbsp; far&nbsp; more realistic than any other&nbsp; gun rule si have seen to date.Short of having such rules lets&nbsp; assume you have 3 types of shotgun shells ( excepting&nbsp; the more bizarre flechette, , bola or&nbsp; phosphorous rounds)Solid shot (slug)Heavy shot (turkeyload and&nbsp; buckshot)Light Shot ( anything&nbsp; for small game hunting particularly&nbsp; squab or&nbsp; squirrel)Solid shot.&nbsp; These slugs are HUGE...i&nbsp; dug one out of the&nbsp; ground....it&nbsp; was the&nbsp; size of&nbsp; a&nbsp; half dollar ( out&nbsp; of a&nbsp; twelve guage).&nbsp;&nbsp; This should&nbsp; do more&nbsp; damage&nbsp; than any&nbsp; other&nbsp; single&nbsp; civilian weapon.&nbsp; it&nbsp; should also havea&nbsp; terrible range&nbsp; increment ( a&nbsp; ball of lead has&nbsp;&nbsp; horrible flight&nbsp; dynamics).&nbsp; Also its&nbsp; not really&nbsp; tracable as far as&nbsp; balistics go. ( hint, hint) By the&nbsp; way, most shot gun shot is untraceable .&nbsp; Plus&nbsp;&nbsp; these things would tend to&nbsp; knock&nbsp; you flat onyour butt if they did not kil&nbsp; you outright.Heavy&nbsp; Shot&nbsp; This stuff is&nbsp;&nbsp; big...real big.&nbsp; Its&nbsp;&nbsp; usually&nbsp; worse than the&nbsp; slug.&nbsp; But&nbsp; It&nbsp; tends to&nbsp; spread&nbsp; plus lacks the&nbsp; *punch* of a&nbsp; Slug.&nbsp; Earlier&nbsp; posters are&nbsp; right.&nbsp; Even with an open choke the&nbsp;&nbsp; spread will never&nbsp; be&nbsp; very&nbsp; big ( atleast at any effective range)&nbsp; What i would do is assume a shot gun&nbsp; blast have a&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 foot &quot;stream&quot; ( like a&nbsp; Black dragons Breath) giving&nbsp; the&nbsp; first&nbsp; target the normal chance to hit ( minus range) and each&nbsp; subsequent target an additional + 2 to&nbsp; ACLight ShotTiny little pellets.&nbsp; Good for&nbsp; Sheat.&nbsp;&nbsp; Worthless vs a human being ( well not&nbsp; worthless but why would you use it ? Good God man,&nbsp; do you&nbsp; want to hear your victim&nbsp; screaming and moaning for&nbsp;&nbsp; minutes as he&nbsp; writhes and heaves afer you unload your&nbsp; tubular magazine into his body?&nbsp; Sick&nbsp; bastard...)But i&nbsp; would&nbsp; give this a&nbsp; wider area of&nbsp; effect ( that is how it was&nbsp; designed anyhow,&nbsp; to&nbsp; hit&nbsp; fast , maneuverable&nbsp; prey)&nbsp; Say&nbsp; 5 foot &quot;stream&quot; for the&nbsp; first&nbsp; 5 feet then 10 foot pattern ( just&nbsp; pick a&nbsp; line of squares on the side of&nbsp; your&nbsp; target square) with the&nbsp; same penalties outlined above.If you&nbsp; want the&nbsp; cone effect...go fora&nbsp; sawed off shot gun.&nbsp;&nbsp; If&nbsp; sawed off&nbsp;&nbsp; Very, VERY close to the&nbsp;&nbsp; chamber then you&nbsp; basically&nbsp; &nbsp; will have a&nbsp; cloud of lead&nbsp; belched in front of you every time you pull the trigger.&nbsp; Don't&nbsp; count on any range.Then there are the&nbsp; Shotguns that make it al worthwile...such as the&nbsp; Stryker 12 ( if you like shot guns chekc this out!)&nbsp; its&nbsp; compact, fully automatic,&nbsp; and has&nbsp;&nbsp; no kick ( it can be fired with one hand).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Albert_Fish, post: 737178, member: 1780"] Ok, we need to use Ken Hood's Grim-n-Gritty rules. Get them if you dotnhave them. They are far more realistic than any other gun rule si have seen to date. Short of having such rules lets assume you have 3 types of shotgun shells ( excepting the more bizarre flechette, , bola or phosphorous rounds) Solid shot (slug) Heavy shot (turkeyload and buckshot) Light Shot ( anything for small game hunting particularly squab or squirrel) Solid shot. These slugs are HUGE...i dug one out of the ground....it was the size of a half dollar ( out of a twelve guage). This should do more damage than any other single civilian weapon. it should also havea terrible range increment ( a ball of lead has horrible flight dynamics). Also its not really tracable as far as balistics go. ( hint, hint) By the way, most shot gun shot is untraceable . Plus these things would tend to knock you flat onyour butt if they did not kil you outright. Heavy Shot This stuff is big...real big. Its usually worse than the slug. But It tends to spread plus lacks the *punch* of a Slug. Earlier posters are right. Even with an open choke the spread will never be very big ( atleast at any effective range) What i would do is assume a shot gun blast have a 5 foot "stream" ( like a Black dragons Breath) giving the first target the normal chance to hit ( minus range) and each subsequent target an additional + 2 to AC Light Shot Tiny little pellets. Good for Sheat. Worthless vs a human being ( well not worthless but why would you use it ? Good God man, do you want to hear your victim screaming and moaning for minutes as he writhes and heaves afer you unload your tubular magazine into his body? Sick bastard...) But i would give this a wider area of effect ( that is how it was designed anyhow, to hit fast , maneuverable prey) Say 5 foot "stream" for the first 5 feet then 10 foot pattern ( just pick a line of squares on the side of your target square) with the same penalties outlined above. If you want the cone effect...go fora sawed off shot gun. If sawed off Very, VERY close to the chamber then you basically will have a cloud of lead belched in front of you every time you pull the trigger. Don't count on any range. Then there are the Shotguns that make it al worthwile...such as the Stryker 12 ( if you like shot guns chekc this out!) its compact, fully automatic, and has no kick ( it can be fired with one hand). [/QUOTE]

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