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Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9415332" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Telling a real life person where one parent is Korean and the other parent is African than the proper approach is to pretend to others that you're either Korean or African but not both, and if you have a sibling one of you could choose to say you're Korean and the other choose to say their African and that's "equality," is offensive. That's the heart of the issue. Nobody actually cares about what it looks like to fictional gnomes and dragonborns, the entire concept of inclusivity has meaning because of real human beings playing the game with backgrounds which might identify with game elements. And this choice might look good in "mechanics" but it's about the most offensive approach to take when considering the humans playing the game. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That's fine. A single sentence saying refer to the DMs guide on how to go about creating any half-race you like would do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For someone who constantly claims the rules must be inclusive, you're awful focused suddenly on balance and mechanics and page count when an actual inclusivity issue is brought up that you don't seem to like.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They've had 10 years to work it out, and this is the new edition. This is where you put that system. Particularly if inclusivity is the reason you're changing the existing system, you make the "fix" inclusive!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because that's the mechanical answer, not the inclusive answer. I mean mechanically one could say, "I see nothing wrong with female characters having a -2 strength relative to male characters" and you'd be right. MECHANCICALLY that kind of system can function. Inclusivity however is a different story with such a system, and that was the topic we were discussing - inclusivity and not whether something functions mechanics-wise. </p><p></p><p></p><p>No, the MECHANICS can be replicated but all of the description at the heart of the inclusivity issue is lost. The reason for half-elves wasn't mechanical in nature. Much like the reason for half-orcs wasn't mechanical. And the reason they've been removed wasn't mechanics either.</p><p></p><p>You keep trying to drag our conversation away from the inclusivity issue, and you're the one who raised that inclusivity issue that started this part of the conversation. Why?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9415332, member: 2525"] Telling a real life person where one parent is Korean and the other parent is African than the proper approach is to pretend to others that you're either Korean or African but not both, and if you have a sibling one of you could choose to say you're Korean and the other choose to say their African and that's "equality," is offensive. That's the heart of the issue. Nobody actually cares about what it looks like to fictional gnomes and dragonborns, the entire concept of inclusivity has meaning because of real human beings playing the game with backgrounds which might identify with game elements. And this choice might look good in "mechanics" but it's about the most offensive approach to take when considering the humans playing the game. That's fine. A single sentence saying refer to the DMs guide on how to go about creating any half-race you like would do. For someone who constantly claims the rules must be inclusive, you're awful focused suddenly on balance and mechanics and page count when an actual inclusivity issue is brought up that you don't seem to like. They've had 10 years to work it out, and this is the new edition. This is where you put that system. Particularly if inclusivity is the reason you're changing the existing system, you make the "fix" inclusive! Because that's the mechanical answer, not the inclusive answer. I mean mechanically one could say, "I see nothing wrong with female characters having a -2 strength relative to male characters" and you'd be right. MECHANCICALLY that kind of system can function. Inclusivity however is a different story with such a system, and that was the topic we were discussing - inclusivity and not whether something functions mechanics-wise. No, the MECHANICS can be replicated but all of the description at the heart of the inclusivity issue is lost. The reason for half-elves wasn't mechanical in nature. Much like the reason for half-orcs wasn't mechanical. And the reason they've been removed wasn't mechanics either. You keep trying to drag our conversation away from the inclusivity issue, and you're the one who raised that inclusivity issue that started this part of the conversation. Why? [/QUOTE]
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