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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vaalingrade" data-source="post: 9463521" data-attributes="member: 82524">So it does work since again, they really haven't.Only in certain niche situations that have been mostly ignored or downplayed are they anything more than replacement orcs; the orcs we have at home.That's also where the idea that these two species are inclusive to multiracial people falls flat. They're always defined in terms of being part of something and part of something else, not as a people unto themselves or as a cultural fusion, just a sapient liger bred for their talent with stabbing or statecraft.Only Eberron and the Netir Vale cared to try and we all know how much action they get from D&D. The base game doesn't care and doesn't want to try. And frankly if they're not going to actually try to do a good job, I'm not going to trust the results of using half their butt.</blockquote>