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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AnotherGuy" data-source="post: 9467190" data-attributes="member: 7029930">Always a lovely start.Ah yes, I did not provide a comprehensive list that meets your standards. Well orcs do not exist in all published worlds - the nostalgic races do. But hey, I'm not unyielding on this issue.The point of the discussion was that certain gamers prefer to have A relatable race and grounded race within the party. As many of the published settings are for obvious reasons human-centric that playable race is humans.Of course, the setting changes that - so as I'm currently running a game in Rockhome (Mysyara's dwarven nation), you'd expect to see at least one dwarf within the party.I'm actually for the inclusion of Orcs. In fact in my post #153 I wrote the following:Mixed Heritage should be a race entry in the PHB to cater for races that have already been covered, such as Humans, Orcs and Elves. I would not put Tiefling ...etc in that category because Fiends are not included as a full playable entry.So as you can see, we are on the same side <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Do you suspect I do not like other races? Are you accusing me of being a fantasy racist?Is that a prelude to joke? Because I haven't heard that one.I'd say many of us relate more to Dwarves just purely on the mass content in D&D and just general literature that exists about Dwarves.You really think so hey? I could see kobolds replacing the Hobbits (small humans) and Teenage Mutant Ninja Tortles taking care of business. Peter Jackson missed out on that idea.The Hobbits were small humans and not fully fledged heroes - I'd agree and say they are relatable to your average reader - including the 2 humans and Gandalf to a degree.Appearance is part of relatable, just because one is short or lives long doesn't mean it just goes away.Afterall the 4 main supernatural characters in Interview with the Vampire all looked human and yes they were vampires, but that didn't make it any less difficult to relate to them.And here this sadly goes off the rails even further.Well I'd disagree. I see Spelljammer as space fantasy and Planescape not so far away without the vessels and a few other things...but a whole lot of Berks.O-kayLook if you want the Giff in the SRD, just say so - don't meander on about Birthright and how popular Planescape was and what WotC was pushing.I'm not sure what Fly-Noise Elf has to do with anything. Are you trying to tell me that gamers could relate to him? You do realise my entire discussion was about a party not a single individual. Of course you could be trying to tell me that a party could be made of 1 and those games are called Duets but unfortunately, I'm not talking about those. I'm not looking to change goal posts. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yes. And when I'm running a game in the Karameikos it is all about how relatable Rakasta's and ALIENS are in that environment. I cannot believe my players never thought of all playing an party made of ALIENS and Rakastas.I will grant you there is a secret Lupin group within the Duchy. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f608.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":devilish:" title="Devil    :devilish:"  data-smilie="29"data-shortname=":devilish:" />At this point I have to ask, do you even understand the point I've been unsuccessfully trying to make? There are gamers that enjoy (for the most part) some representation of the setting they're playing in otherwise why play in that setting.As an absurd example, no one thinks of playing Smurfs in Star Wars, just because we have the racial write-ups for Smurfs.There has to be a good reason why the entire party would be comprised of outsidersGet mad?!!!Buddy tell us about your DM without telling us about your DM.Look there is a lot of rambling towards the end so I'm just going to leave you with thisI'm just telling you how some gamers see it.Play what you will - I'm just a dude on the internet <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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