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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9470682" data-attributes="member: 7635">Also not a Critter, so I'm asking for clarification.1. How much was the father's views emblematic of wider elven society's views? Was the father extreme by elven standards or more or less in line with them? 2. Was the siblings encounter with racism limited to the father and people who believe like he did or was it more widespread?3. How were they viewed by their human parents and the village prior to its destruction? Did they encounter a lot of prejudice there too?Part of the problematic element of the half- story is the implication of societal racism, not just any racism. It's not that the father is a bad person for harboring those beliefs, but that elves in general do and somehow remain a Good aligned society. Likewise with humans who view them as others rather than people aren't viewed as evil. And no matter how much D&amp;D has tried to walk back that othering, you'll have people who will complain that it removes the struggle of Tanis, Vex and Vax by making them generally accepted by wider elf and human cultures. I've got no problem with removing the societal prejudice against half species. I got no problem removing the elf/dwarf hate and the orc/everyone hate either. The PC species in the PHB should at the very least not hate each other on sight. But doing that removes that struggle element people find appealing and perhaps essential to the half species story. Are we willing to remove that element of Tanis's story? [USER=63508]@Minigiant[/USER] seems willing, anyone else?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 9470682, member: 7635"] Also not a Critter, so I'm asking for clarification. 1. How much was the father's views emblematic of wider elven society's views? Was the father extreme by elven standards or more or less in line with them? 2. Was the siblings encounter with racism limited to the father and people who believe like he did or was it more widespread? 3. How were they viewed by their human parents and the village prior to its destruction? Did they encounter a lot of prejudice there too? Part of the problematic element of the half- story is the implication of societal racism, not just any racism. It's not that the father is a bad person for harboring those beliefs, but that elves in general do and somehow remain a Good aligned society. Likewise with humans who view them as others rather than people aren't viewed as evil. And no matter how much D&D has tried to walk back that othering, you'll have people who will complain that it removes the struggle of Tanis, Vex and Vax by making them generally accepted by wider elf and human cultures. I've got no problem with removing the societal prejudice against half species. I got no problem removing the elf/dwarf hate and the orc/everyone hate either. The PC species in the PHB should at the very least not hate each other on sight. But doing that removes that struggle element people find appealing and perhaps essential to the half species story. Are we willing to remove that element of Tanis's story? [USER=63508]@Minigiant[/USER] seems willing, anyone else? [/QUOTE]

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