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Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mecheon" data-source="post: 9471154" data-attributes="member: 6801776"><p>When even /tg/'s little wiki opens their Half Elf article with "who, alongside gnomes, have the dubious honor of being regarded as one of the most superfluous and "do we really need this race?" races in fantasy gaming", I get the feeling its not just a me thing.</p><p></p><p>Gnomes at least have a bit of a niche to their own, even if minor</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Folks like thri-kreen to the point that Dark Sun requests have been the lifeblood of 5E forum posts for most of its life and yet no one's asking for them to be PHB content despite being popular. Liking a race isn't enough for it to be in the PHB, and the PHB shouldn't be a Best Of, because if its a Best Of then a lot of races folks like hanging around won't be lasting and instead we'd have Dragonwrought Kobolds and Humans for their old 3.5E shenannigans, with Halflings, Half Orcs and Dwarves consigned to non-existence</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why should they be in the basic book? What unique mechanics are they bringing to "Hi there, person who has never played Dungeons and Dragons in your life, here are a wide variety of options to show you what choices you have to play as?" Are half elves that much of a common occurrence through the planes and universe that they need to have a place in the first book produced, and aren't just side content?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Final Fantasy was famously so inspired by Dungeons and Dragons that, not only are its classes based on D&D to the point that its mages a riff on the Dragonlance robed mages (White, Red and Black), but 90% of the original Final Fantasy monsters are based on D&D ones. Ochus are Otyughs, the Beholder had to be changed for western releases because it was so blatently a Beholder and now became the Evil Eye, MJindflayers and Sahagin both show up, the king of the dragon is called Bahamut and the Fiend of Wind is a 5 headed dragon called Tiamat. That's just a brief, I could go way harder, but Final Fantasy is D&D inspired</p><p></p><p>As for Warcraft? Warcraft is blatently D&D inspired, along with the Warhammer inspiration. Like, they got Knaak writing Warcraft books because they liked his Dragonlance work, and Warcraft was so popular in the day you can track its expansion releases by drops of sales in RPG stores, because folks weren't buying RPGs or cards and instead playing WoW</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hilda's noted in that rarity thing as its generally noted in XIV that, 90% of the time? Kids of mixed heritage just look like the mum's race. Its about the best excuse we have for miqo'te with mis-matched eye types depending on what they should be (F'lhaminn being the classic example of this, she's a Seeker with Keeper features), but Hilda's the only one to display elezen ears despite being a hyur</p><p></p><p>Prior to the Arathi there'd only been 3 known half elves in universe: Arator and Veresa's twins. They exist, but if you were making a Warcraft RPG (like say, the World of Warcraft RPG) you'd want to do a Mok'nathal (Half orc half ogre) far more readily than a half elf, as they're simply a more common part of the universe. As neat as Rexxar is though, would a Mok'nathal -really- be PHB content though?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mecheon, post: 9471154, member: 6801776"] When even /tg/'s little wiki opens their Half Elf article with "who, alongside gnomes, have the dubious honor of being regarded as one of the most superfluous and "do we really need this race?" races in fantasy gaming", I get the feeling its not just a me thing. Gnomes at least have a bit of a niche to their own, even if minor Folks like thri-kreen to the point that Dark Sun requests have been the lifeblood of 5E forum posts for most of its life and yet no one's asking for them to be PHB content despite being popular. Liking a race isn't enough for it to be in the PHB, and the PHB shouldn't be a Best Of, because if its a Best Of then a lot of races folks like hanging around won't be lasting and instead we'd have Dragonwrought Kobolds and Humans for their old 3.5E shenannigans, with Halflings, Half Orcs and Dwarves consigned to non-existence Why should they be in the basic book? What unique mechanics are they bringing to "Hi there, person who has never played Dungeons and Dragons in your life, here are a wide variety of options to show you what choices you have to play as?" Are half elves that much of a common occurrence through the planes and universe that they need to have a place in the first book produced, and aren't just side content? Final Fantasy was famously so inspired by Dungeons and Dragons that, not only are its classes based on D&D to the point that its mages a riff on the Dragonlance robed mages (White, Red and Black), but 90% of the original Final Fantasy monsters are based on D&D ones. Ochus are Otyughs, the Beholder had to be changed for western releases because it was so blatently a Beholder and now became the Evil Eye, MJindflayers and Sahagin both show up, the king of the dragon is called Bahamut and the Fiend of Wind is a 5 headed dragon called Tiamat. That's just a brief, I could go way harder, but Final Fantasy is D&D inspired As for Warcraft? Warcraft is blatently D&D inspired, along with the Warhammer inspiration. Like, they got Knaak writing Warcraft books because they liked his Dragonlance work, and Warcraft was so popular in the day you can track its expansion releases by drops of sales in RPG stores, because folks weren't buying RPGs or cards and instead playing WoW Hilda's noted in that rarity thing as its generally noted in XIV that, 90% of the time? Kids of mixed heritage just look like the mum's race. Its about the best excuse we have for miqo'te with mis-matched eye types depending on what they should be (F'lhaminn being the classic example of this, she's a Seeker with Keeper features), but Hilda's the only one to display elezen ears despite being a hyur Prior to the Arathi there'd only been 3 known half elves in universe: Arator and Veresa's twins. They exist, but if you were making a Warcraft RPG (like say, the World of Warcraft RPG) you'd want to do a Mok'nathal (Half orc half ogre) far more readily than a half elf, as they're simply a more common part of the universe. As neat as Rexxar is though, would a Mok'nathal -really- be PHB content though? [/QUOTE]
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