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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 2715280" data-attributes="member: 172">Well, you STILL don't have to build your character from scratch. You STILL can benefit from having a progression. You STILL, regardless of which substitution level you choose, divide your benefits from a new level between BAB, saves, hp, skill points, and class abilities.It's still structured advancement, which is to me the thing that point buy is missing that makes me avoid point buy.I like substitution levels. They bring in a good aspect of point buy system without bringing i the bad. But I still recognize that there are (AFAIAC) bad aspects to point buy systems that are worth avoiding. Let us not toss out the baby with the bathwater.Well, those are somewhat feat like in concept in that they are add ons to a character for whom most of the fundamentals have been determined by your class progression. That said, they do bring on board the concept of &quot;point farming&quot; from point buy system, another aspect of point buy systems I am happy to do without.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psion, post: 2715280, member: 172"] Well, you STILL don't have to build your character from scratch. You STILL can benefit from having a progression. You STILL, regardless of which substitution level you choose, divide your benefits from a new level between BAB, saves, hp, skill points, and class abilities. It's still structured advancement, which is to me the thing that point buy is missing that makes me avoid point buy. I like substitution levels. They bring in a good aspect of point buy system without bringing i the bad. But I still recognize that there are (AFAIAC) bad aspects to point buy systems that are worth avoiding. Let us not toss out the baby with the bathwater. Well, those are somewhat feat like in concept in that they are add ons to a character for whom most of the fundamentals have been determined by your class progression. That said, they do bring on board the concept of "point farming" from point buy system, another aspect of point buy systems I am happy to do without. [/QUOTE]

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