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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 5808058">i see what your are saying and this makes some sense. I used to box and summoning inner strength to keep fighting when you are hurt is real. There is certainly room for pushing through pain, but the problem most people encounter with this in the HP system is things like second wind don't model it well for our tastes. Smeone mentioned the barbarian rage and that is probably the closest to summoning inner strength in a previous edition. It works out okay because the hp you gain are temporary and there id kind of s dead man walking thing going on. You are still physically hurt, so after the rage spell you lose the temp hp. In 4E your inner strength can sometimes make the damage go away comlpletely.  I would never tell you it is unreasonable to model this with second wind (it is entirely up to you), but for me it creates some believability issues I would rather not have in my game. The thing people need to understand about healing surges is while they may have no problem with it, a large number of players have a serious problem with the mechanic. When we made the switch to 4e (which was short lived for us) in my group, the pro 4E person had trouble understanding other peoples' issues with them. This created real tensions and assumptions of bad faith on both sides. I would just encourage people to realize we dont dislike healing surges to make your lives difficult, to dump on 4E or because we simply fear change. It is just like any other thing that gets gamers worked up. We have tastes and preferences. This goes for the other side of the coin as well. Just because I have a problem buying into the healing surge concept and think it disrupts believability, I shouldn't force this position on people who dont share my view. It is an overly aggressive thing in my opinion to try to "prove" to someone that they really like a mechanic, or that the mechanic doesn't/does support suspension of disbelief, as these are all sujective calls.</blockquote>

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